dryvr12 Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 I know what the difference is between double and single action airbrushes, but what is the advantage of double over single (or single over double)?
Brendan Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Single action is when you press down the lever and paint comes out. Not much leeway on how big the spray pattern is besides what the needle and cone are. A double action is where you press the trigger down and pull back. Pressing the trigger down will just release air and as you pull the trigger back the paint will spray. Advantages are a lot more control of how much paint you have coming out. You can also slightly adjust how much air comes out as you adjust the pressure on the trigger as you pull back. Overall it is just a better airbrush than a single action. Usually not much difference in the price range between a single and a double action. I always tell people to buy a double action. You get more use out of it.
dryvr12 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Posted January 19, 2009 Single action is when you press down the lever and paint comes out. Not much leeway on how big the spray pattern is besides what the needle and cone are. A double action is where you press the trigger down and pull back. Pressing the trigger down will just release air and as you pull the trigger back the paint will spray. Advantages are a lot more control of how much paint you have coming out. You can also slightly adjust how much air comes out as you adjust the pressure on the trigger as you pull back. Overall it is just a better airbrush than a single action. Usually not much difference in the price range between a single and a double action. I always tell people to buy a double action. You get more use out of it. ok, thanks. does the pushing and pulling hurt your fingers, or does it "lock" in place
Brendan Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 ok, thanks. does the pushing and pulling hurt your fingers, or does it "lock" in place I've never had any problems with my fingers hurting. It's like holding a pencil. Some model airbrushes can be adjusted to make a double action into a single action. But I never use that feature on my airbrush.
LoneWolf15 Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 A single action is perfect for shooting model cars . A dual action is best for weathering as you have much more control over how much paint is being applied and where it is going . I love both style guns . However , for ease of clean up and the time spent doing it , the single action is my preference when it comes to painting model cars . Cost enters the picture also. You can buy a single action Paache H series for about $60.00 , a dual action is going to be considerably more . The Old Man Lone Wolf Custom Painting
dryvr12 Posted January 20, 2009 Author Posted January 20, 2009 To ANYONE and EVERYONE reading this thread: Pay attention to what LoneWolf says. This man KNOWS AIRBRUSHING. If you dont believe me check out his site here. The video he puts out is TOPS for instructional purposes and well worth the price. thanks, ill check it out now
dryvr12 Posted January 20, 2009 Author Posted January 20, 2009 thanks, ill check it out now whoah, i didnt realize that was him!
Corvette.Jeff Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) man that lonewolf guy can paint some models I have a question though, i have both style of airbrushes and i already used the single action, but i haven't used the dual action(i have to find the right fitting for my compressor) whats the difference in settin up the brush? like on the single its a quick change brush so i can have a few colors ready to use, but with the dual it takes a vial(the bottle the paint comes in i wasnt sure what to call it) in the bottom versus the front mounted vial on my single. is there really any difference on using them paint wise? also if anyone is interested, you can pick up a free copy of the basics of airbrushing at hobby lobby, i picked one up and it helped me out some Edited January 20, 2009 by ThatOneEmoKid
LoneWolf15 Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) Jeff , I might be able to help you with setting up your gun if you let me know the brand name . As for the free guide on airbrushing , it helped you " some " . The dvd will teach you a whole system that will have you laying out pristine paint work in no time . For the price of a model kit , the dvd beats "some " any day of the week ! Dryvr12 I will answer questions any time on airbrushing . Either ask your questions here , or get a hold of me through my website . Always happy to help out the youngsters ! The Old Man Lone Wolf Custom Painting Edited January 20, 2009 by LoneWolf15
Corvette.Jeff Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 its not a real well known brand my parents bought it for me because they know i like stuff like that. its by central pneumatic or something like that.
dryvr12 Posted January 25, 2009 Author Posted January 25, 2009 its not a real well known brand my parents bought it for me because they know i like stuff like that. its by central pneumatic or something like that. i saw a double action airbrush at harbor freight for $14.
LoneWolf15 Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 Zack Always remember this , you get what you pay for ! This applies to anything in life . If it's cheap , it is not going to last or really do the job as well as a good piece of equipment. For the cost of roughly 3 kits , you can have yourself a Paache H series single action airbrush. It is not the Cadillac of airbrushes, however , it will last you for many years when properly maintained. Given your age , with many years of modeling ahead of you , learn to put your money into your equipment first. It is far better to have good quality tools at your disposal and 4 kits, then 24 kits and garbage equipment that just won't get the job done right . Each and every kit that you build deserves the best that you have to offer , both skill wise and equipment . Good tools make the job easier and less frustrating. It also makes the finished product much more pleasing to the eye ! First and foremost , it is much more fun to build this way ! Yourself and Jeff are at a perfect age . Both of you are old enough to work and earn money to keep yourselves going hobby wise. You are smart and humble enough to ask questions , eager to learn about the hobby. Most importantly , you are asking them in the right place . This forum has more knowledge in it when it comes to modeling than anywhere else on the planet . Here is a trick that I learned when I was about your age , You and Jeff should both put it to use. Before Christmas or birthdays , inform Mom and Dad exactly what you want , be exact about it ! Provide all the important information , cost , where it can be purchased , etc. You can't go wrong with this ! I want to see you and Jeff thrive in the hobby , we need all the youngsters we can get . The Old Man Lone Wolf Custom Painting
59 Impala Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 Well, I have one of the airbrushes from Harbor Freight and it works just fine. It's just as good as the VL from Paasche that I have. They both are 2 stage brushes and to me the Harbor Freight one is well worth the price you pay for it. Also, there is nothing wrong with the VL brush either, and it costs a lot more.
935k3 Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 Another thing that makes double action airbrushes better is they mix the paint with air internally and make the paint in a smaller better atomized pattern which produces better color concentration. Also they use less paint, sort of like a 4 barrel carb versus a 2 barrel carb. A dual action also gives you control over the wetter or dryer a paint job is which allows you vary the sheen of the paint. An internal mix is far better for clear tinted colors and Alclad paints. A single action is good for a single color body but I like a dual action for everything else.
dryvr12 Posted January 25, 2009 Author Posted January 25, 2009 Zack Always remember this , you get what you pay for ! This applies to anything in life . If it's cheap , it is not going to last or really do the job as well as a good piece of equipment. For the cost of roughly 3 kits , you can have yourself a Paache H series single action airbrush. It is not the Cadillac of airbrushes, however , it will last you for many years when properly maintained. Given your age , with many years of modeling ahead of you , learn to put your money into your equipment first. It is far better to have good quality tools at your disposal and 4 kits, then 24 kits and garbage equipment that just won't get the job done right . Each and every kit that you build deserves the best that you have to offer , both skill wise and equipment . Good tools make the job easier and less frustrating. It also makes the finished product much more pleasing to the eye ! First and foremost , it is much more fun to build this way ! Yourself and Jeff are at a perfect age . Both of you are old enough to work and earn money to keep yourselves going hobby wise. You are smart and humble enough to ask questions , eager to learn about the hobby. Most importantly , you are asking them in the right place . This forum has more knowledge in it when it comes to modeling than anywhere else on the planet . Here is a trick that I learned when I was about your age , You and Jeff should both put it to use. Before Christmas or birthdays , inform Mom and Dad exactly what you want , be exact about it ! Provide all the important information , cost , where it can be purchased , etc. You can't go wrong with this ! I want to see you and Jeff thrive in the hobby , we need all the youngsters we can get . I will be certain to remember that. The Old Man Lone Wolf Custom Painting
dryvr12 Posted January 25, 2009 Author Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) btw, im as new as you can get to airbrushing. I know practice makes perfect and all. how would you mix paints (i know to the consistancy of milk), and how would you go about painting free hand desgins, such as flames? AND WHAT IS DRY BRUSHING??? Edited January 25, 2009 by dryvr12
LoneWolf15 Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 Another thing that makes double action airbrushes better is they mix the paint with air internally and make the paint in a smaller better atomized pattern which produces better color concentration. Also they use less paint, sort of like a 4 barrel carb versus a 2 barrel carb. A dual action also gives you control over the wetter or dryer a paint job is which allows you vary the sheen of the paint. An internal mix is far better for clear tinted colors and Alclad paints. A single action is good for a single color body but I like a dual action for everything else. Dale & Dan, Off on the wrong foot here , I love dual action , you are correct , a lot more control ! For weathering , it cannot be beat. However , this is a youngster just starting out . On a Paache single action , there is less mess , clean up wise. It is far easier to learn how to use, fewer do's and don'ts, and less mechanical that can go wrong or confuse . I suggested the single action to allow Zack to get his " feet wet " per say.The H series comes in a kit with everything that a novice needs to start out with , for a fair price . As always , I'm just one man with an opinion , simply stating from past experience . The Old Man
dryvr12 Posted January 25, 2009 Author Posted January 25, 2009 Dale & Dan, Off on the wrong foot here , I love dual action , you are correct , a lot more control ! For weathering , it cannot be beat. However , this is a youngster just starting out . On a Paache single action , there is less mess , clean up wise. It is far easier to learn how to use, fewer do's and don'ts, and less mechanical that can go wrong or confuse . I suggested the single action to allow Zack to get his " feet wet " per say.The H series comes in a kit with everything that a novice needs to start out with , for a fair price . As always , I'm just one man with an opinion , simply stating from past experience . The Old Man i was looking at your 'site about the dvd. do u have any "sample" videos or is buying it the only option
LoneWolf15 Posted January 25, 2009 Posted January 25, 2009 i was looking at your 'site about the dvd. do u have any "sample" videos or is buying it the only option Zack, Email me at the website. The Old Man
LoneWolf15 Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 Okay , Jeff, From what I can see , the adjustment for your spray is in the handle. By loosening the back nut in the handle, it allows you to adjust the position of your needle. Loosen the nut by turning it counter clockwise Gently push the needle almost to the top of the cone where it is barely touching it . Tighten the nut and then check the back stroke of the needle as you pull back on your trigger . You are going to have to play with this adjustment a bit until you get a nice smooth flowing pattern coming out of the gun. Once you are satified with the needle adjustment , be sure to measure it on the backside so you can put it back into place after you reassemble it after cleaning . Hope this helps. The Old Man
dryvr12 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Posted February 4, 2009 Dry brushing is used for highlighting raised details ( i.e. detailing a dash, radio knobs etc) and it really is kinda simple. All you need is a quality flat brush (size determined by the area to be painted), a bottle of paint, a paper towel, and (of course) a model. My method: 1) Dip the tip of the brush into the paint 1/2 way up the bristles adn remove 2) Wipe it off (wipe it ALL off) on the paper towel using brushing strokes (as opposed to gripping and trying to "clean" the brush 3) when there is no more visible paint coming of the brush, dip it again 4) wipe it again in the same brushing method but not all the way this time, just until the brush looks free of wet paint 5) hold the brush at as much of an angle as you can in the space provided. You want to try to get the sides of the bristles as flat as possible against the target. 6) lightly drag the brush accross the intended area 7) repeat steps 3 through 6 as necessary for desired results The dry texture of the brush is a failsafe to deposit paint on the raised surface, while leaving the recesses the original color. The paint is held in the inner bristles and deposited on the raised portions that press into it, whereas the dry outer bristles that may run astray onto the recessed area wont have wet paint to leave behind. Hope this helps. yes it does, thank you
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