AMT Pacemakers Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 (edited) I'm looking for a picture of the Calif. Flash T-bolt when it was painted BLACK... now I've been to every T-bolt site, butchleal.com, Craig Suttons site and half the www and just cannot find a pic of it in BLACK. Was it ever BLACK? PLEASE help!! Thanks Robert Edited May 21, 2010 by Coker Creek Speed Shop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High octane Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I'm looking for a picture of the Calif. Flash T-bolt when it was painted BLACK... now I've been to every T-bolt site, butchleal.com, Craig Suttons site and half the www and just cannot find a pic of it in BLACK. Was it ever BLACK? PLEASE help!! Thanks Robert [/quot Robert, The Butch Leal Thunderbolt was NEVER black so you can stop looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMT Pacemakers Posted May 21, 2010 Author Share Posted May 21, 2010 Nick, according to Bill Coulter in Model Cars magazine December 2002 there was. He built a black version, but doesn't show any 1:1 reference's. I do know that there were two versions of the Butch Leal car, just can't find any color pics of the black one.... Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320wayne Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Click on the link provided. Halfway down the page you will see a black and white photo of Leal kneeling by his T-bolt. This car, with the California Flash text on the side, was the black car. The car did exist. I have seen photos of it in color but have no idea where that may be at this time. If I stumble across any in color I will let you know. It's pretty simple to replicate as the car was all black with the chrome trim. The wheel combination was the same as the maroon car. Five spokes up front and black steelies out back. http://www.butchleal.com/history2.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMT Pacemakers Posted May 22, 2010 Author Share Posted May 22, 2010 Click on the link provided. Halfway down the page you will see a black and white photo of Leal kneeling by his T-bolt. This car, with the California Flash text on the side, was the black car. The car did exist. I have seen photos of it in color but have no idea where that may be at this time. If I stumble across any in color I will let you know. It's pretty simple to replicate as the car was all black with the chrome trim. The wheel combination was the same as the maroon car. Five spokes up front and black steelies out back. http://www.butchleal.com/history2.html Wayne, I saw that picture but becaue it was b&w I just wasn't sure because it could be the burgundy car as well, I've seen a color picture of the Ca. Flash that is the burgundy car. Kinda confusing in some ways....Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High octane Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 Wayne, I saw that picture but becaue it was b&w I just wasn't sure because it could be the burgundy car as well, I've seen a color picture of the Ca. Flash that is the burgundy car. Kinda confusing in some ways....Thanks Robert, Sure you've seen a b&w photo of the T-bolt and a burgandy car is going to look black in the photo. Butch Leal never had a black T-Bolt. You can always call or e-mail Butch and ask him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capsgs Posted May 22, 2010 Share Posted May 22, 2010 Folks, trust me on this one. This very subject was thoroughly researched by another group of hard core modellers that I belong to and included correspondence from Butch Leal himself. The car was never black!!! Cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMT Pacemakers Posted May 23, 2010 Author Share Posted May 23, 2010 (edited) I'm going to have to agree. I can not find anything that it was ever black. So.... where did Fred Cady get the idea to make decals for a black car and WHY did Bill Coulter build one for MCM in 02? Appericate the input on this, so I will build a burgundy "Mr. 427" version and a Calif. Flash version in burgundy... Thanks Edited May 23, 2010 by Coker Creek Speed Shop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High octane Posted May 23, 2010 Share Posted May 23, 2010 I'm going to have to agree. I can not find anything that it was ever black. So.... where did Fred Cady get the idea to make decals for a black car and WHY did Bill Coulter build one for MCM in 02? Appericate the input on this, so I will build a burgundy "Mr. 427" version and a Calif. Flash version in burgundy... Thanks Some people don't do enough research and make decals for a car that never was and builds a car that never was. Just because their names are popular in the hobby doesn't mean that they don't make mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMT Pacemakers Posted May 23, 2010 Author Share Posted May 23, 2010 Some people don't do enough research and make decals for a car that never was and builds a car that never was. Just because their names are popular in the hobby doesn't mean that they don't make mistakes. Hey I'm with ya on that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bolt427 Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 Some people don't do enough research and make decals for a car that never was and builds a car that never was. Just because their names are popular in the hobby doesn't mean that they don't make mistakes. True. Cady's decal sheet for the "Bob Ford" T-Bolt builds either the "yellow or silver car." It was never silver but actually "Champagne Gold" The old photos make it look silver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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