montelsc Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 can anyone explain to me how to make a master also pics would be great to
Rider Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 (edited) As master is simply the object you cast a mold from. It's refered to as a "master" for the purpose of mold making, if your original mold ever gets damaged or no longer produces quality casts then you retunr to your master and make another mold, you should always return to your "master" to make a new mold. Using a casting can lead to inaccurate castings due to many issue such shrinkage or warpage. Your master can be a simple wheel and tire. If your asking how to make a master from scratch. That's a subject I'll leave to builders with sculpting skills. Edited December 20, 2010 by Rider
montelsc Posted December 20, 2010 Author Posted December 20, 2010 As master is simply the object you cast a mold from. It's refered to as a "master" for the purpose of mold making, if your original mold ever gets damaged or no longer produces quality casts then you retunr to your master and make another mold, you should always return to your "master" to make a new mold. Using a casting can lead to inaccurate castings due to many issue such shrinkage or warpage. Your master can be a simple wheel and tire. If your asking how to make a master from scratch. That's a subject I'll leave to builders with sculpting skills. thanks for the info and yes thats what i want to do learn to make a master from scratch
Kris Morgan Posted December 20, 2010 Posted December 20, 2010 That is a pretty broad question. It all depends on your skills as a modeler. Can you be more specific as to what it is you wanna build. May make it easier for someone to point you in the right direction.
RyanSilva Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 The easiest way to make a master of something is to break it down into simple shapes.
Steven Zimmerman Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 I've had some experience at this; here's my 'take' on master building..... Most resin casters return your master to you after they make the mold,and use one of the early castings as a master'back up' in case of mold failure,wear out,etc. Masters do deteriorate due to body work breakdown,stress during the molding process,etc whereas a resin master doesn't (if properly stored and cared for. If you are constructing a master for a specific caster,you need to communicate with him as to how EXACTLY he wants it done,as to final finish,what color primer (Yes,this can be important) smoothness,any undercuts that may need to be incorporated into the master,finish of the INSIDE of the master,reinforcement of weak spots such as window frames and hood openings,and a myriad of other things (I'm sure I've forgotten some ). Some casters buy masters,but many pay in product return (! master done,in return for copies of the finished product back,etc )Discussion of ALL of this is a VERY IMPORTANT PART of the process....(If you're casting an item for yourself,most of this doesn't matter). One other important thing you need to discuss with the caster is 'turn around' time (length of time after he receives your finished master until you get the finished product back)......Best of luck, Steve Zimmerman aka the'Z'man
GrandpaMcGurk Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 Michael, could you be a little more specific? Are you asking about a master for parts, engines etc. or perhaps bodies? I'm sure there is a wealth of info available here that members would be glad to share with you but your question is kinda like asking "how high is up". Are you just looking for the basics or a full blown how to?
biscayne63 Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 You need good side pics, front & rear & top if you can get it. From those pics start getting the measurements of the details. Scale the pics from your measurements. Decide if you can used another model as a base. Or you can get and block of medium density foam or balsa wood and start blocking in the shape. Once you have it kinda blocked in, get better detail shots of the contour of the body side & the hood & roof & trunk lid. Keep checking the pics, compare the shapes. Have pics from different angles and compare them to the model. Once you get it to primer you can start adding details like mouldings. The more pics the better! Get it to that point and we can talk about molding it.
montelsc Posted December 21, 2010 Author Posted December 21, 2010 That is a pretty broad question. It all depends on your skills as a modeler. Can you be more specific as to what it is you wanna build. May make it easier for someone to point you in the right direction. hey kris thanks for answering id like to make a resin body for a 71 pontiac grandville or kit if possible ive emailed 3 manufactures and they dont seem to be interested in makeing this kit i would love to learn to do this myself but it would be so hard to just find the time to get started
montelsc Posted December 21, 2010 Author Posted December 21, 2010 You need good side pics, front & rear & top if you can get it. From those pics start getting the measurements of the details. Scale the pics from your measurements. Decide if you can used another model as a base. Or you can get and block of medium density foam or balsa wood and start blocking in the shape. Once you have it kinda blocked in, get better detail shots of the contour of the body side & the hood & roof & trunk lid. Keep checking the pics, compare the shapes. Have pics from different angles and compare them to the model. Once you get it to primer you can start adding details like mouldings. The more pics the better! Get it to that point and we can talk about molding it. hi brian i have plenty of pics for the body id like to do its a 1971 pontiac grandville 2dr or 4dr doesnt matter as far as getting started are you saying you would like to take this project on with me that would be a great help if this is what you do im so into this model i have the original dealer brochure also if you could let me know how much all this would cost me to do that would also be a big help
montelsc Posted December 21, 2010 Author Posted December 21, 2010 Michael, could you be a little more specific? Are you asking about a master for parts, engines etc. or perhaps bodies? I'm sure there is a wealth of info available here that members would be glad to share with you but your question is kinda like asking "how high is up". Are you just looking for the basics or a full blown how to? im looking to make a body of a 71 grandville id really like to find someone with more experience at this than myself id also like to know a roundabout cost is there anybody out there interested this poject?
wisdonm Posted December 21, 2010 Posted December 21, 2010 You need to study Mr. Lombardo's fabulous original scratch builds.
biscayne63 Posted December 22, 2010 Posted December 22, 2010 Hi Micheal, I have been working as a model maker for 20 years, from architectural, prototype and auto development. Have worked as a clay automotive modeler for 10 years, been building 1/4 scale to full size cars, suvs and trucks in clay for most of the largest auto manufacturers. Sculpted funny car bodies for John Force and Chrysler Motorsports. Jay Leno's Ecojet, Fisker's Karma & Sunset, Tesla's Model S and Aptera's Concept. My favorite car I sculpted is the current Challenger. So after saying all this, I'll walk you thru the process. You should know the pride of making something from scratch. Ask me as many questions as you want, we will take it step by step. First thing to know is too many cooks ruin the soup. You can keep the process public if you want or you can email me BPETTERSEN@MODELO-GROUP.COM.
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