Engine in Belvedere?

[dane1963]

The Commando motor in the Lindberg 64 Belvedere is it a wedge motor or 440? It isn't a Hemi 426. What is it?

[RichCostello]

I think it's a 426 Max Wedge.

[Guest Markus355]

wouldnt it be a 413?

[Nick Winter]

The kit Engine is a 383, but you are given a 440 Commando Air Cleaner and decal.

Nick

[slantasaurus]

The engine is supposed to represent a 426 Wedge as Double D pointed out, but it can also represent a 383.

[Nick Winter]

I truly always thought it was a 383 because you do not get more than 1 carb, nor do you get 2 small round air cleaners or a crossram intake.

Nick

[Junkman]

It's a Slant Six.

[slantasaurus]

I truly always thought it was a 383 because you do not get more than 1 carb, nor do you get 2 small round air cleaners or a crossram intake.

Nick

That would be a Max Wedge or Super Stock engine. In 1964 only there was a 426 Street Wedge engine available with a single 4 bbl carb.

[a/gass]

the 426 wedge was was offered from mid year 1962 till it was replaced by the 440 in late 66.dodge & plymouth performance versions (max wedgs)were stage 2 early 63 - stage 3 late 63 & 64 till replaced by race hemi in late 64.thanks to my mo-par bible writen in 74.

Edited August 5, 2011 by a/gass

[slantasaurus]

the 426 wedge was was offered from mid year 1962 till it was replaced by the 440 in late 66.dodge & plymouth performance versions (max wedgs)were stage 2 early 63 - stage 3 late 63 & 64 till replaced by race hemi in late 64.thanks to my mo-par bible writen in 74.

The 426 Wedge engine was introduced in 1962, but was only available in full size cars, and then in 1964 only in B series cars (except the Max Wedge versions). The 440 was introduced in 1966 also only in full size cars and was available in B series cars begining in 1967.

[whale392]

The 426 Wedge was canceled mid-64 (for passenger car use), not up to 1966. C-bodies got the 440 in 1966, with the B-Bodies following in 1967.

Nick, at this scale, how can you tell a 350 Mopar from a 440? They are all big-blocks (wedges at that), so how do you tell? Can you tell me how in 1:1? (I am not bashing on Nick here, but if he is going to make a knowledge-based comment, he better have the knowledge to back it up).

I'll give you a hint, 1958-only 350, 361, 383 (non-RB), and 400cid engines were 'B'-series with no boss on the drivers side front top of the block (across the front depression from the distributor). The 383RB, 413, 426 wedge (and for that matter, the Hemi block.....but it also had crossbolted #2,3,& 4 mains, extra head bolt locators, and pushrod cut-outs), and 440 were RB-series blocks (Raised-Big), and had 1): taller front and rear intake mounting flanges, 2): had the boss on the drivers side across from the distributor. Now, as Dodge industrial trucks had a variation of either the 'B' and 'RB' engines (quite often with their own cid), I cannot speak for them and the years available.

Edited August 6, 2011 by whale392

[kenb]

whale 392 said it all. They all look alike and the minor differences at that scale would be almost impossible to detect. The most prominent thing would be the boss on the block just as he said which is just a square raised portion in the casting to the left of the distributor. Ken

[Nick Winter]

The 426 Wedge was canceled mid-64 (for passenger car use), not up to 1966. C-bodies got the 440 in 1966, with the B-Bodies following in 1967.

Nick, at this scale, how can you tell a 350 Mopar from a 440? They are all big-blocks (wedges at that), so how do you tell? Can you tell me how in 1:1? (I am not bashing on Nick here, but if he is going to make a knowledge-based comment, he better have the knowledge to back it up).

I'll give you a hint, 1958-only 350, 361, 383 (non-RB), and 400cid engines were 'B'-series with no boss on the drivers side front top of the block (across the front depression from the distributor). The 383RB, 413, 426 wedge (and for that matter, the Hemi block.....but it also had crossbolted #2,3,& 4 mains, extra head bolt locators, and pushrod cut-outs), and 440 were RB-series blocks (Raised-Big), and had 1): taller front and rear intake mounting flanges, 2): had the boss on the drivers side across from the distributor. Now, as Dodge industrial trucks had a variation of either the 'B' and 'RB' engines (quite often with their own cid), I cannot speak for them and the years available.

Well Bradley, I thought I had seen on the side of the box it mention it as a 383, other than that I'm not sure, but thanks for singleing me out.

Nick

[scale trucker]

on 1;1 mopar big blocks.a 383-400 the little raised block is behind the distributor,and 426 wedge and 440 are on the right front of block at top of timing assembly in front of valley cover/intake gasket..also a 426 max wedge has special port heads..

[Longbox55]

I thought I had seen on the side of the box it mention it as a 383,

The Dodge 330 kit, which is based on the same tooling for the running gear, lists it as a 383 on the box. To be honest, in scale, it's pretty much impossible to tell the difference. At least in this situation, the B and RB engines are of the same block design, unlike when a 216 from a '50 or '51 Chevy kit is used to represent a 235 in a '55 or later Chevy. Those are two completely different engines, with vitually nothing in common other than the brand.

[whale392]

Like I wrote Nick, I am not bashing you as it was a knowledge based question. do yourself (and us) a favor and get over your butt-hurtness of me 'singling you out'. I even provided the answer so that you might learn something for future use....but I see you are still the same as you have been. I even went to the extent of justifying not knowing in scale. Now all we need is for you to cry to Harry about being picked on and we will have it all.

To the original poster; you can call it whatever engine you would like from the 'B' and 'RB' family. The only real visual clue would be the air cleaner (and the early 'B' engines only having 4 valve cover bolts while later 'B' and 'RB' engines had 6) and the exhaust for the given specific application (read: 413 Sonoramic Commando and the 426 Wedge stages).