Opinion Please --- Re Customs in Contests...

[Darin Bastedo]

if it's not factory stock, it's "custom" or customized.

i know it's not as simple as that but there is that very complicated debate over what is custom and what isn't, it get's worse when you bring customs with a "K" into too. i think customs are anything modified for appearance and not modified for increased performance. that covers a pretty broad stroke though and i can see where that would certainly become something for a good debate. while the Porsche may not be as customized as the Hirohata Mercury both were done to separate those cars from the rest and to make a statement, both cars were personalized or "customized" to be different.

Geez is it possible I'm agreeing with you twice in one year? I think you are right a custom paint job is enough to call the car a "custom". I think where people get hung up is they each have a picture in there mind of what a custom is.

[moparmagiclives]

I didnt know there was a point, I seen the ?, and thought it was a question. My mistake.

It is a hypothetical situation, because your building a kit replica of a SITUATION, It came from the factory with them right? If the dealer installed them on a 1:1 car before it was reported sold, then its all factory right? This is a really good question.

[LoneWolf15]

As to the question on the headers . There is only a factory stock class at the shows . Simply provide documentation with the build proving that the headers were available and installed at the dealer , you're covered !

If you don't , you might lose a few points, not a great big deal overall . From past observation , you won't have a thing to worry about , the judges won't notice the difference !

[Guest Dr. Odyssey]

That's the point I was trying to make. Dealer Installed while not exactly the same as Factory Installed should be accepted in a "Factory Stock" model contest category.

So then if that Porsche has a "Dealer Installed" paint job it would still qualify for "Factory Stock" in regards to a contest entry.

I also agree documentation is key.

[moparmagiclives]

That's the point I was trying to make. Dealer Installed while not exactly the same as Factory Installed should be accepted in a "Factory Stock" model contest category.

So then if that Porsche has a "Dealer Installed" paint job it would still qualify for "Factory Stock" in regards to a contest entry.

I also agree documentation is key.

I guess I see this two different ways, and here is why.

There have been many times that I have reciecved parts for a vehicle waayyyy before it has ever been dropped off from the factory. And once the vehicles were delivered, we had to install said parts ( moslty bolt on stuff, steps, moldings, some video systems), but these parts were built into the vin# with the matching sales codes. If the vehicles went down the road and had problems, ANY Chrysler store could then order factory parts to repair based on the vin#.

Now had I sent one of those rig across the street to the body shop and had them flamed or color changed before it was sold, I would not concider that "factory" or "dealer" installed. Because it will not match anything in writing from the factory.

So I would have to say, if that Porsche had been delivered and then panted in the dealer to make it "flashy" to sell then it would not be factory stock, where ( and I'm going out on a limb here now) that the Camaro has a sales code for some kind of package groupe the headers would fit in, as far as a factory part.

[Nate]

Dave, I would agree with your definition of a custom car, but the question as to what goes into the custom class at a show would be a Hirohata Merc style Kustom, I guess. Unless, of course the actual contest rules have a different definition.

Edited February 15, 2012 by Nate

[Guest Dr. Odyssey]

I think we are on the same side of this Shane. I'm just saying I think dealer installed items should be allowed in Factory Stock MODEL contest catagories.

[moparmagiclives]

I think we are on the same side of this Shane. I'm just saying I think dealer installed items should be allowed in Factory Stock MODEL contest catagories.

Have you had issues where the were not allowed?

I think its interesting to hear about how different contests are ran.

[weasel]

we always defined 'custom' as having at least 2 major body mods... top chop, section, shaved/smoothed/decked, etc..

having said that, if [and when] i build the couple Revell 49 Mercs i have, i durn sure am not gonna put it in customs and then have to deal with chopper!!! lol

now HE makes customs....

my 2 pennies..

[moparmagiclives]

my FIL has one of those Southern Comfort trucks too, is that a custom or not? it was modified post factory but pre-dealer delivery.

Thats a tuff one, I would say they are Custom, I had a "Sothern Comfort" Silverado in here once, lots of little things done to those, paint included. And a Kodiak that was fitted to the hilt with wood grain and screens. But I dont recall if any of it was a factory package.

What about Yencos, they were a "factory" upfit correct? there was a sales code for that? Saleen?

[weasel]

ummm, Yenko's were 'converted' at the dealership by Yenko people...Motion was the same way, done on site.. to factory cars yes, and kinda from the factory, warranty and all, but still done at the dealership...

you may be thinking the COPO Camaro, that WAS from the factory!!

[moparmagiclives]

ummm, Yenko's were 'converted' at the dealership by Yenko people...Motion was the same way, done on site.. to factory cars yes, and kinda from the factory, warranty and all, but still done at the dealership...

you may be thinking the COPO Camaro, that WAS from the factory!!

I know the COPO was a factory option, but Yenkos were built at Dons dealership after they were delivered from the factory. Did they have anything to do with Chevrolet? Would one of those pass as a "factory stock" vehicle? I would think they were custom built if there was no sales codes to go with them. They had a warrenty from Chev, or the Yenkos dealership? Not trying to argue, just asking. These were a little before my time

[moparmagiclives]

My apoligies to Richard, not trying to hyjack your custom question with all the talk of factory options.

[Fabrux]

Steve, this is why I'm glad our show's categories are simple.

[weasel]

this is why i build RACECARS!!! hehehehehehe...