Pour Le Patron Jan 28/08

[Paul Payne]

Ah, the debates rage on! I don't think any other car has generated as much controversy regarding how many were actually made, the various bodies on which chassis, etc., etc., etc.! Le Patron's T46 was a scaled down Royale. After aquiring 2 Miller Indy racing cars, Bugatti began constructing DOHC engines. The T50 was essentially a T46 with a DOHC top end and supercharger (pardon- compresseur). Now- if the Royale had been able to be continued in production, wouldn't it be logical that the engine would have evolved in the same manner? Imagine- 774 cubic inches, dual overhead cams, and supercharged! Somebody has just got to build this, and let's face it, it would be somewhat cheaper in model form...... I'm thinking a body similar to the Esders roadster, or possibly a streamlined boat tail 2 passenger coupe. Let's see- Lindberd/Pyro Auburn boat tail rear body, 1940 Ford sedan body pie-cut and blended into the boat tail, veed windshield, pontoon fenders............

Seriously, your build is great- workmanship excellent, paint excellent, thought and research excellent- I am looking forward to seeing all your other Royale kits being built- And you can just dream about how much they would be worth in real life!

Here are a couple pix of the Lindberg Royale I built a few years back:

[rollinoldskoo]

beautiful car but u guys sound like a bunch of IPMS military builders..... if ya kno what i mean...

[Mr. Can Am Garage]

beautiful car but u guys sound like a bunch of IPMS military builders..... if ya kno what i mean...

Oh. So now we're Rivet Counters?

Fine by me.

[Mr. Can Am Garage]

Ah, the debates rage on! I don't think any other car has generated as much controversy regarding how many were actually made, the various bodies on which chassis, etc., etc., etc.! Le Patron's T46 was a scaled down Royale. After aquiring 2 Miller Indy racing cars, Bugatti began constructing DOHC engines. The T50 was essentially a T46 with a DOHC top end and supercharger (pardon- compresseur). Now- if the Royale had been able to be continued in production, wouldn't it be logical that the engine would have evolved in the same manner? Imagine- 774 cubic inches, dual overhead cams, and supercharged! Somebody has just got to build this, and let's face it, it would be somewhat cheaper in model form...... I'm thinking a body similar to the Esders roadster, or possibly a streamlined boat tail 2 passenger coupe. Let's see- Lindberd/Pyro Auburn boat tail rear body, 1940 Ford sedan body pie-cut and blended into the boat tail, veed windshield, pontoon fenders............

Seriously, your build is great- workmanship excellent, paint excellent, thought and research excellent- I am looking forward to seeing all your other Royale kits being built- And you can just dream about how much they would be worth in real life!

Here are a couple pix of the Lindberg Royale I built a few years back:

Hmmm.....I like how you think. A Royale Boattail roadster. My first classic car kit was a Packard Boattail.

Thank you and nice work on yours.

[Biscuitbuilder]

Either FM or DM. I'm not into metal models, so please don't nail me on it.

Does Keith make his decals available to others? My 69 Coronet keeps telling me it can't live without a mod top since I read your last post.

I will scan the picture and post it here when I get home tonight.

Just another thing: Since we can't get any definitive information on who put that interior into the car and most of all when, there is no way of telling if it was present when the car was still all black, which must have been very shortly after it received this body.

Also, from the pictures, I can't find anything wrong with the shade of blue you used. Admittedly, I have only ever seen the car in artificial lighting, but the blue you used looks perfectly ok to me.

Entirely btw: The book also contains a photo of the interior of Captain Foster's car. Hard to believe, but it's even tackier than the one in the Coupe Napoleon. One wouldn't want to be seen dead in such a common interior. Both cars certainly would have deserved better. It confirms what I always said: Money doesn't buy one good taste.

Actually,

For the day and age, not at all that "tacky"! One need only to look at ordinary home furnishings of the 20's to see similar fabrics, similar "over decorative" patterns. A car such as the Royale was aimed at the super wealthy, who in those days, lived like that, with very opulent home furnishings, particularly where fabrics used in upholstery and drapery were concerned--I've got a lot of memories of even middle class folks in their 60's back circa 1950 who had housefulls of upholstered furniture like what is seen on those two Royales--it was the style once upon a time. Their tastes in luxury car interiors reflected that taste from home, particularly in a formal car, such as these two Royales were. It wasn't confined to formal bodied Bugatti's either--a perusal of late 20's and early 30's Rolls Royce, Cadillac, Packard and Duesenberg town car and Berline (the most formal of sedan bodies) will show the same thing as well, particularly if the car was built for a client in New York, Boston, Philadelphia.

Might not be our cup of tea, but that is how many of the formal, custom-bodied cars of that era were finished, very much in fashion then, but looked on with at least some disdain by a lot of folks today.

Biscuitbuilder

[Biscuitbuilder]

beautiful car but u guys sound like a bunch of IPMS military builders..... if ya kno what i mean...

Only slightly worse than a bunch of builders debating what is correct, and what is not, on any factory stock build of a muscle car.

Biscuitbuilder

[Junkman]

beautiful car but u guys sound like a bunch of IPMS military builders..... if ya kno what i mean...

I was not aware that it could be a bad thing to try and build a historically accurate model. What is wrong with sharing knowledge and discussing ways to achieve this goal?

[rollinoldskoo]

I was not aware that it could be a bad thing to try and build a historically accurate model. What is wrong with sharing knowledge and discussing ways to achieve this goal?

go back and read your guys' debate.... like two frenchmen sittin around drinkin tea sayin "i beg to differ good sir "

[Biscuitbuilder]

go back and read your guys' debate.... like two frenchmen sittin around drinkin tea sayin "i beg to differ good sir "

I'm sorry, but I will have to agree wholeheartedly with Junkman, and with CanAm Garage here: There is nothing whatsoever at all wrong, or worthy of criticism in debating the merits of, the construction and detailing of, a replica of a real car--just as there is little if any room to criticise the particular model car passions of someone else who chooses to follow a different path.

This hobby has been one of pretty much wide-open freedom to build as one chooses, what one chooses, and how one chooses, and that includes you, me, and the other guy too. This part of the modelbuilding hobby has always transcended the sort of bickering over which way is best, which theme of modeling is best, which genre is best--frankly something that other areas of scale modeling miss out on.

So, why not give this one a rest for awhile?

Biscuitbuilder

[Mr. Can Am Garage]

I'm sorry, but I will have to agree wholeheartedly with Junkman, and with CanAm Garage here: There is nothing whatsoever at all wrong, or worthy of criticism in debating the merits of, the construction and detailing of, a replica of a real car--just as there is little if any room to criticise the particular model car passions of someone else who chooses to follow a different path.

This hobby has been one of pretty much wide-open freedom to build as one chooses, what one chooses, and how one chooses, and that includes you, me, and the other guy too. This part of the modelbuilding hobby has always transcended the sort of bickering over which way is best, which theme of modeling is best, which genre is best--frankly something that other areas of scale modeling miss out on.

So, why not give this one a rest for awhile?

Biscuitbuilder

I don't much care what people say or think about me when it comes to my hobby. So I'm a "rivet counter". So what?

However, please don't refer to me as a frenchman in any way, shape or form. I am an anglophone living in french Canada and that doesn't go over with me. I'm not saying french Canadians are bad just different.

I've said my piece.

As for the model, it's going back into the box at this point. It is going to get stripped of it's paint and be re-painted. However, that will take time and in roughly a week's time, I'm leaving here for sunny Florida for three weeks.

Hopefully, we'll pick up this build in early March and continue from there.

[Junkman]

I don't much care what people say or think about me when it comes to my hobby. So I'm a "rivet counter". So what?

However, please don't refer to me as a frenchman in any way, shape or form. I am an anglophone living in french Canada and that doesn't go over with me. I'm not saying french Canadians are bad just different.

I've said my piece.

As for the model, it's going back into the box at this point. It is going to get stripped of it's paint and be re-painted. However, that will take time and in roughly a week's time, I'm leaving here for sunny Florida for three weeks.

Hopefully, we'll pick up this build in early March and continue from there.

Oh no! Send it to me! I send you a pristine unpainted body in exchange!

And entirely btw, I know quite a few Frenchmen that build fantastically beautiful models - replica stock and customs. A wealth of resin casting companies is living proof that modelling is alive and well in France.

Edited February 4, 2008 by Junkman

[HotRodaSaurus]

I started this build a few days ago and have made a fair bit of progress since then.

Translated - For The Boss. Monsieur Ettoire Bugatti liked being called the Boss. This is the first of five Bugattis that I have to build.

Testors Gloss Dark Sea Blue over Tamiya sprays Gloss Black.

End day 1.

Everything you see is painted. Frame rails are gloss black, springs are gunmetal, rear axle is semi gloss black and the differential is aluminium.

End day 2.

Progress is slow but it is progress.

The rear suspension is complete. The front would have been too IF the the guys in the shop had put it on properly.

End day 3.

We made real progress today.

Not only is the front suspension in place but...

So are the fenders!

The engine's in just for photography purposes.

End day 4.

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The engine is coming along.

End day 6.

How's this one comming along then?

Want to see the finished product