fantacmet Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 So I have some photo's that inspired me that I found online. It's an international payhauler, of which I have one of the kits. Truck would be easy to figure out. Question is what trailer? I have not seen any front loading lowboy trailers on the market in 25th scale. Only scratchbuilt and I don't think I'm at that point just yet in skill. Not without an old scale auto article that did the entire thing including blueprints. Does anyone make a kit of this? Or would the current issue of the AMT Lowboy trailer work? I would think the AMT kit would be too high despite the lowboy name, for something like a Payhauler, which is huge. It would look GREAT up on a shelf though. Big ol lowboy, with a stretched truck, and a Payhauler sitting on the back. It'd be friggin huge, but awesome looking. Now might be the time, as I'm likely getting some extra kickback from the insurance and the down payment on the new rig won't be as much as my insurance kickback so I might have enough to grab another rig/trailer combo.
Jim B Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 I don't think the lowboy that AMT used is actually big enough to carry a Payhauler. The actual Payhauler is just too heavy for that trailer.
olsbooks Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 Jim is correct. Simply too big of a load. But keep your eyes peeled on some "toy" trucks and trailers at places like Dollar General or the similar for a starting point and then hit some garage sales/craigslist for box full of glue bombs. Good way to jump in and try without spending big $.. Just a thought... Good luck and keep us posted!
Petetrucker07 Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) I have a similar project planned. But i think the trailer im scratch building may be overkill, by about double. I just paid for my rim and tire order from Double Take Replicas, (KJ790). Now i gotta go get styrene, lots of it. Sheet, strip, tubing, angle, and im sure much more. Oh almost forgot i gotta build the truck too! Edited January 10, 2015 by Petetrucker07
Old Buckaroo Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 One thing to keep in mind on those trucks the size of the "Payhauler" - They are transported with the tires off , so you will need two trucks and trailers.
fantacmet Posted January 10, 2015 Author Posted January 10, 2015 The one I saw was transported with tires on, and it was "oversized" load. The kind that takes up 2 lanes and requires multiple spotter vehicles(of which I have one I could use already). I'll have to see if I can find the pics. I figured the AMT woudn't work. Always keep my eye out on craigslist and the places that sell the cheap toys, but all I ever find as far as scale is 48th and 32nd. Are there any front loader lowboy kits out there, or is everything scratchbuilt?
Jim B Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 Here, this might help: http://public.fotki.com/modeltrucks25thscale/model_magazine_articles/car_modeller/cm40_nov_1996_conve/
fantacmet Posted January 10, 2015 Author Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) That's the one I was looking for. Probably have to scratch it as I don't think I can find that kit. Thanks for the link, I have that fav'd. Also here is the photo that got me worked up. http://www.silverstatespecialties.com/Reference/Trucks/Dump/Payhauler350C_01zk.shtml Edited January 10, 2015 by fantacmet
highway Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 I found this detail sheet while researching my Payhauler: It may be a little hard to read, but it says that the empty weight of the Payhauler with the 16V-71N like the kit is only 71,800 lbs. I'm not sure what the load limit on the lowboy is, but I figured with the 3 axles on the lowboy and a third tag axle on the tractor, it should haul the load just fine. I mocked one up on the AMT lowboy and it does fit the bed, even though the outer tires hang over the bed. I'm not sure on total height, it looks like the diagram says the Payhauler itself is 12'6", so it would probably be pushing 14' or a little more on the deck, but I was also planning having mine with escort vehicles and a high pole escort if it does come in over 13'6" on the deck.
72 Charger Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 Apparently the AMT (loadcraft) lowboy is only rated to 50,000 lbs. That would still be to small for the Payhauler .I was going to do the very same thing with my Payhauler. Cool reference pics BTW
Petetrucker07 Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 So just as i figured, at 10 axles, mine is almost double overkill. From what i gather the D8 dozer is is lighter than the payhauler. But still too big for the AMT lowboy. So i guess the John Deere backhoe and dump truck would be perfect for the AMT lowboy, if they would fit length wise.
Old Buckaroo Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 The one I saw was transported with tires on, and it was "oversized" load. The kind that takes up 2 lanes and requires multiple spotter vehicles(of which I have one I could use already). I'll have to see if I can find the pics. I never had the luxery of working for a mine with "Interstate" access Just two lane mountain highways which still required pilot cars . I wish I still had the pics of the 500 tonners showing up . One semi load was the frame and cab, Next was the engine and trans ,the dump bed was in thirds and each had a truck , then was another hauling the wheels & tires then another with all the electric motors, cooling units ect.
highway Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 Apparently the AMT (loadcraft) lowboy is only rated to 50,000 lbs. That would still be to small for the Payhauler .I was going to do the very same thing with my Payhauler. Cool reference pics BTW Actually Dave, with a little help from Google, the trailers I found in the era of the AMT kit are capable of 50 tons, which is double the weight you stated. Here are links to two 50 ton tri axles very similar to the kit. http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=5635995 http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=5452409 At a weight limit of 50 tons, that means that it is capable of 100,000 lbs, so an empty Payhauler at almost 72,000 lbs would be no problem for the Loadcraft tri axle.
fantacmet Posted January 11, 2015 Author Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) Except that I think the ones in the links are front loaders, which from my understanding generally have a higher load rating. Could be wrong though, it's happened before. Yup yup, could definitely be wrong because I found this http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=5438659 Fixed neck, tandem, 35T Which would be just shy of being able to carry the Payhauler. Since we don't know what model of trailer the AMT is based off of, it is entirely possible that AMT just got it wrong, and it should have been 50 ton instead of 50 thousand. It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened. Edited January 11, 2015 by fantacmet
fantacmet Posted January 17, 2015 Author Posted January 17, 2015 I think I'm going to pickup the AMT unit, and rebuild it similarly to the Revell unit. I probably won't have the removable gooseneck though, as I don't really need it to be operable.
fantacmet Posted February 7, 2015 Author Posted February 7, 2015 (edited) Picked up the stuff I need for the structure of it today as well as the trailer itself yesterday. Diamond Reo to haul it with. Stinks being broke, but me and the wife agreed I can use the gift cards at work for model building. I rocked it last time around with 75 bucks, and I have another 50 coming to me. Edited February 13, 2015 by fantacmet
fantacmet Posted February 13, 2015 Author Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) So I did some research and there are plenty of 10 foot wide lowboys out there, which is what this scales out to. It's of nothing specific. I realize it doesn't look ike a front loader that much right now, but it will. The gooseneck is NOT detachable on the model, though it does represent a detachable one. If I ever decide to do it again in the future I'll make one that is operational. Just didn't want the hassle this time around. This is just going to haul my payhauler, which is going to end up actually chained down to the thing. I also picked up the Diamond Reo kit to drag it. Edited February 13, 2015 by fantacmet
highway Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 Just don't forget your "WIDE LOAD" or "OVERSIZED LOAD" signs!!
fantacmet Posted February 13, 2015 Author Posted February 13, 2015 Oh yeah for the trailer and the rrig. Plus gotta have the amber gumdrops too.
6-handicap Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Hello everyone. I am starting on my Payhauler but does anyone have an idea what color of yellow this thing is in real life? Thanks for your help
mistermodel Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 they would be hauled on a "beam" trailer.A beam trailer has no deck,just the frame.the frame would go between the tires and the differentials would sit on the beams so the tires are only a few inches off the ground keeping the load under 13'6"
fantacmet Posted February 21, 2015 Author Posted February 21, 2015 Handicap, whatever yellow you want to be honest. I'm going to use some sort of rustoleum yellow, or I may go with Red just to be different. Mistermodel, with the low deck and everything it should come in to just at or under 13'6" and I know in Oregon you can go higher, but the beam got me thinking, and I'm converting the lowboy to a beam. I think it will have more visual interest
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