i agree diymirage. come on man this place is all about learning and that's why am here. no need to get upset about things that need to take time to understand. take me for a example i have no idea how to work with PE i would love to learn it but right now i need to focus on learning how to paint better. i have read your posts and it seems you get way to upset if something doesn't work out just think things threw first. now i hope you don't think i am putting you down dude, this hobby has its challenges some are a PITA others are simple. just sit back and think things threw and you will have lots of fun. like diymirage said there no need for more drama on the bored man most of the people here are only trying to help.