Just updated with JoHan/Lindberg/Moebius B-Body Comparo Pix - detailed review of second round test shots of the new Moebius '65 Belvedere Sedan kit...

[mredjr]

Thanks Bill I am glad to see that one person agrees with me. The photo her comparing it to the Lindberg 64 Dodge roof is a joke there is nothing about that body that is correct. I am sick over the 65 Plymouth HT and looks like I will be just sick over the 2 door sedan. For the HT I plan to take the complete top off and use one off the Johan 64 Plymouth it may not be spot on but is a far site better than the 65 top.

[RandyEarle]

I'll stick to my resin kit.

Edited November 7, 2015 by RandyEarle

[tim boyd]

Thanks Bill I am glad to see that one person agrees with me. The photo her comparing it to the Lindberg 64 Dodge roof is a joke there is nothing about that body that is correct. I am sick over the 65 Plymouth HT and looks like I will be just sick over the 2 door sedan. For the HT I plan to take the complete top off and use one off the Johan 64 Plymouth it may not be spot on but is a far site better than the 65 top.

Bill and Elvin...to be clear here, I am not suggesting that you are wrong in your conclusions, I was simply asking for your analysis of WHAT is wrong.  Many people in the modeling community often conclude a kit is wrong in some form or another.  Sometimes they are correct in their assessment, sometimes they are incorrect.  It helps us all that when a model is critiqued, that the analysis behind the verdict is also provided.  That lets others look at the kit with a critical eye, and form their own judgement about the issue at hand.   

Elwin...if you read the captions that go with my pictures you will find that I largely share your assessment of the Linderg kit accuracy.  I stated that it has never appeared to be correct to me, and the comparo photos help to explain to me why that is the case.  

For those of you who dismiss the Moebius kit because of the roof (and to be fair - this applies to me too, by the way), the comparo photos and your own judgement of the kit's accuracy  should really be updated to include the windshield casting because of the way that piece carries the moldings that are normally part of the body casting,  If after that you choose to not buy or build the model, that is entirely and rightly your call to make.  For the rest of us, I believe you'll find this kit to, in totality, be an excellent scale replica of the real car.  All you've got to do is study Steve Goldman's buildup - or several others built on this and other model car forums, to come to that conclusion.    

Cheers...TIM l.    

 

[gtx6970]

Tim,

I  did my best to modify your picture showing the issues I see.

1st is  the area marked A , you can see the forward edge of the roof where it transissitions into the top edge of the glass is my biggest pet peave and in this view is quite obvious .

It should actually  roll down ever so slihgtly into the  top of the windshield,instead in this pic it appears to continue on flat making it look like it has a  fat upper lip. ( look at a Johan 63 Plymouth sedan kit and it becomes really obvious )

On the lower windshield area ( B ) it appears to curl down in the top of the cowl , where it shoudl continue pretty much flat around the entire perimeter of the lower moulding. ( this may be trickery on the eye due to the picture )

C - is where I feel the vent wing frame leans back to far . IMO, the top of the moulding should be brought forward and the lower extended rearward ever so slighly.( the yellow line in my picture )  This I feel could be easily resolved by any competent modeler,,,,BUT I dont feel we should have to on an  in production modern tool piece.

 

I haven't bought a 65 Satellite kit yet,,,,based entirely on picttures I've seen online  . And based on this picture  alone  I will not be purchasing the sedan either.

Also,in regards to the lower windshield to cowl area, I feel the LIndberg 64 Dodge is more accurate than the Johan body. ( I just pulled out an unbuilt body I have of each to ck )

 

Again this is nothing more  than one mans opinion , aka MINE

Edited November 8, 2015 by gtx6970

[tim boyd]

Tim,

I  did my best to modify your picture showing the issues I see.

1st is  the area marked A , you can see the forward edge of the roof where it transissitions into the top edge of the glass is my biggest pet peave and in this view is quite obvious .

It should actually  roll down ever so slihgtly into the  top of the windshield,instead in this pic it appears to continue on flat making it look like it has a  fat upper lip. ( look at a Johan 63 Plymouth sedan kit and it becomes really obvious )

On the lower windshield area ( B ) it appears to curl down in the top of the cowl , where it shoudl continue pretty much flat around the entire perimeter of the lower moulding. ( this may be trickery on the eye due to the picture )

C - is where I feel the vent wing frame leans back to far . IMO, the top of the moulding should be brought forward and the lower extended rearward ever so slighly.( the yellow line in my picture )  This I feel could be easily resolved by any competent modeler,,,,BUT I dont feel we should have to on an  in production modern tool piece.

 

I haven't bought a 65 Satellite kit yet,,,,based entirely on picttures I've seen online  . And based on this picture  alone  I will not be purchasing the sedan either.

Also,in regards to the lower windshield to cowl area, I feel the LIndberg 64 Dodge is more accurate than the Johan body. ( I just pulled out an unbuilt body I have of each to ck )

 

Again this is nothing more  than one mans opinion , aka MINE

Bill....excellent feedback and very helpful.  

You, I, and Bill G. all agree on the vent windows (I noted this in my original picture captions and Bill commented above in the thread).  

As to your Point A, I wonder if the visual impression here would be lessened once the windshield is installed and painted/foiled accurately.  Because here we are seeing only the surrounding "sheetmetal" whereas the other bodies include the moldings with the body instead of the windshield piece itself as with the Moebius kit.  My guess is that with the windshield installed and trimmed, it would be lessen the concern (that is, appear more correct) but not entirely eliminate it.    

I had not noticed your Point B.  This is why having a detailed critique is so helpful.

Best Regards...TIM 

 

Edited November 8, 2015 by tim boyd