Revell 71 GTX engine question

[Andrew D the Jolly Roger]

Would the carburator/air filter combination portrayed on this kit ever be used with a hood WITHOUT a scoop?  Or, if I'm using a non-scoop hood, would I need to replace the air filter/carb?

[CapSat 6]

If by "hood with no scoop", you mean the Fast and Furious / Satellite hood...then yes, the 440 6BBL engine was available in the 1971 Road Runner and GTX without the Air Grabber Hood.

The F&F/ Satellite hood was actually the "Performance Style Hood" that was standard on the Road Runner and GTX. The standard Performance Hood and 440+6 engine were not available with the other Satellite models in 1971.

In 1:1, the air cleaner would have differed a bit between Air Grabber and non-Air Grabber 440+6 engines. It would have likely used the same lid or very similar looking lids, but the base would probably be different, accounting for sealing to the Air Grabber mechanism. In scale, I would say that they both would look the same.  

If I cared about differentiating the air cleaner for this purpose, I would either try to cut the lower lip surrounding the base of the air cleaner down a bit, or maybe I would use a spare air cleaner without the separate base from the Revell/Monogram '69 Dodge Coronet Super Bee 440 Six Pack kit. I probably wouldn't bother, though.

I'm just not 100% sure whether or not the 440+6 intake/carb/air cleaner combo will fit under the F&F / Satellite hood. I'd mock it up first.

  

  

[Andrew D the Jolly Roger]

2 minutes ago, CapSat 6 said:

If by "hood with no scoop", you mean the Fast and Furious / Satellite hood...then yes, the 440 6BBL engine was available in the 1971 Road Runner and GTX without the Air Grabber Hood.

The F&F/ Satellite hood was actually the "Performance Style Hood" that was standard on the Road Runner and GTX. The standard Performance Hood and 440+6 engine were not available with the other Satellite models in 1971.

In 1:1, the air cleaner would have differed a bit between Air Grabber and non-Air Grabber 440+6 engines. It would have likely used the same lid or very similar looking lids, but the base would probably be different, accounting for sealing to the Air Grabber mechanism. In scale, I would say that they both would look the same.  

If I cared about differentiating the air cleaner for this purpose, I would either try to cut the lower lip surrounding the base of the air cleaner down a bit, or maybe I would use a spare air cleaner without the separate base from the Revell/Monogram '69 Dodge Coronet Super Bee 440 Six Pack kit. I probably wouldn't bother, though.

I'm just not 100% sure whether or not the 440+6 intake/carb/air cleaner combo will fit under the F&F / Satellite hood. I'd mock it up first.

  

  

Thanks for the reply!  I'm not doing F&F, but I imagine the comparison might be the same (will be Daisy's car).  I'm using an aftermarket hood, and didn't know if it would be incorrect to use this engine top-area with that kind of hood.  If it is wrong I do have the air cleaner for the 69 Charger, if that helps.  Or I can keep the original if it's fine.

I've actually been going through episode footage trying to see if there are any scenes in which the hood is open, i.e. at the Duke Farm...only such scene I can find is for the previous-used 74 Roadrunner, which is a different beast.  

[CapSat 6]

1 minute ago, Andrew D the Jolly Roger said:

Thanks for the reply!  I'm not doing F&F, but I imagine the comparison might be the same (will be Daisy's car).  I'm using an aftermarket hood, and didn't know if it would be incorrect to use this engine top-area with that kind of hood.  If it is wrong I do have the air cleaner for the 69 Charger, if that helps.  Or I can keep the original if it's fine.

I've actually been going through episode footage trying to see if there are any scenes in which the hood is open, i.e. at the Duke Farm...only such scene I can find is for the previous-used 74 Roadrunner, which is a different beast.  

In the end, the way the cars used in the series were equipped was governed partially by need, and partially by what was easy, inexpensive, and/or available.

Most of the General Lees in the series had pretty much standard engines (318's for jump cars, since they were less nose-heavy, and sometimes 383's and 440's for stunts where they needed more power). For specific stunts, they would add headers and better intakes as needed.

I'd guess that the car they used for Daisy's Plymouth had whatever it was born with. I'd imagine the car they used in the series probably had a 2 or 4 barrel engine of some kind. Since it was a standard Satellite, it was likely a 318, but they did make quite a few 383 2 and 4 barrel Satellites, too. I'm not sure they even did much by way of stunts with Daisy's car (except for jumping it off a cliff! ).

When I plan and build movie and TV replicas, I like to equip them as I would imagine the car as a character was equipped, if it was never actually stated in the show or movie. For instance: when I built my General Lee, it got a sort of NASCAR-inspired Street Hemi. That's what I imagine the car as a character would have had in the '70's. None of the cars used on the show were Hemis as far as anybody knew, but to me, that engine fits the legend!  

I would imagine Daisy's car as a character was probably a big block, maybe slightly modified but nothing crazy, so if I were building Daisy's '71, it would probably get a blue 383 4-BBL engine. Still, it's plausible that Cooter and her cousins might have swapped a 440+6 engine into her car...  

 

[1972coronet]

Here's a 1971 Road Runner with the standard hood and 440 Six Barrel engine :  1971 Plymouth Road Runner (americanmusclecarmuseum.com) . The 1971 GTX shares the hood with the Road Runner .

[Andrew D the Jolly Roger]

Perfect, thank you!