Decal, Future, Masking, Clear Question

[Perspect Scale Modelworks]

I know the title is not too specific but here's my dilemma. 

This is the Revell '69 Camaro SS kit painted with Scalefinishes' GM Azure Turquoise.

While applying the decal I noticed something in the paint. After the decal was in place using Micro Sol & Set, I used a fine tipped brush and dry brushed paint from the bottle over the spot. The dab appears a couple of shades darker than the rest of the door. 

Since the spot is so close to the decal I'm considering putting Future over the decal, mask the decal and spray a coat of paint on the door.

My concerns are 1. Will the Tamiya masking tape pull off the Future? 2. Will the Future interact with the Tamiya TS-13 clear?

Long winded but hope the problem is clear. Thanks 

[Dpate]

I've never used future, but long as it's cured and tape is de tacked it shouldn't remove the future.  You could always do a test on a spoon or test piece.  Coat or two of future let it cure, and than tape test.  If that passes than test TS-13 on it, and see if that passes.  Lot of variables to go on even if someone may say it's okay etc. Something like this is where i would do testing and have patience instead of depending on someone's definite answer of yes or no.  You could always use micro set to remove the decals, but you'd have to take your time with that without messing them up since you already have SOL on it. 

Edited February 12, 2023 by Dpate

[tbill]

If it was me , I’d clear it with the ts-13, a couple of coats, let it sit for a week, then mask the stripe , fog some color on, remove the tape right after, let it sit for a day or so, then reclear until desired shine. Don’t know if I’d trust future to stay on with masking tape, and unsure of it’s reaction to the clear, as future is acrylic and the clear is lacquer 

[Ben Brown]

I’ve had to do similar touch ups near decals in the past. Rather than risk having tape pull up the decal, I use a post it note to cover the decal. Just shoot away from the decal, so paint doesn’t get up under the post it. I let the post it lift up a little so the spot you spray has a feathered edge, but the decal is still protected.

Ben

[Perspect Scale Modelworks]

On 2/12/2023 at 3:45 PM, Dpate said:

I've never used future, but long as it's cured and tape is de tacked it shouldn't remove the future.  You could always do a test on a spoon or test piece.  Coat or two of future let it cure, and than tape test.  If that passes than test TS-13 on it, and see if that passes.  Lot of variables to go on even if someone may say it's okay etc. Something like this is where i would do testing and have patience instead of depending on someone's definite answer of yes or no.  You could always use micro set to remove the decals, but you'd have to take your time with that without messing them up since you already have SOL on it. 

Thanks for the suggestion Dusty. I tested the future on a scrap hood using the same paint and a decal from the kit sheet. When the Micro Set and Sol dried I burnished a piece of Tamiya masking tape over the decal and pulled it off without disturbing the decal. Then I sprayed one coat of clear. There doesn't seem to be any bad reaction between the future and the TS 13 but I can see an outline of where the almost dry brushed future was applied. I doubt the outline would disappear with more clear coats so I'll call that one a fail.

[Perspect Scale Modelworks]

On 2/12/2023 at 4:21 PM, tbill said:

If it was me , I’d clear it with the ts-13, a couple of coats, let it sit for a week, then mask the stripe , fog some color on, remove the tape right after, let it sit for a day or so, then reclear until desired shine. Don’t know if I’d trust future to stay on with masking tape, and unsure of it’s reaction to the clear, as future is acrylic and the clear is lacquer 

Great suggestion but I think I'll tweak it a bit. I think I'll mask off the part of the door that will be painted. Apply a coat of clear over the decal. Mask the decal, and paint the door. Once all dry I'll shoot the body in a few clear coats, wet sand and polish.

[Perspect Scale Modelworks]

10 hours ago, Ben Brown said:

I’ve had to do similar touch ups near decals in the past. Rather than risk having tape pull up the decal, I use a post it note to cover the decal. Just shoot away from the decal, so paint doesn’t get up under the post it. I let the post it lift up a little so the spot you spray has a feathered edge, but the decal is still protected.

Ben

Thanks Ben. That's interesting. So the paint doesn't soak through the post it or make it more sticky?

[Dpate]

1 hour ago, Perspective Customs said:

Thanks for the suggestion Dusty. I tested the future on a scrap hood using the same paint and a decal from the kit sheet. When the Micro Set and Sol dried I burnished a piece of Tamiya masking tape over the decal and pulled it off without disturbing the decal. Then I sprayed one coat of clear. There doesn't seem to be any bad reaction between the future and the TS 13 but I can see an outline of where the almost dry brushed future was applied. I doubt the outline would disappear with more clear coats so I'll call that one a fail.

Did you try wet sanding the outline with 3000 grit pad? 3M 3000 grit trizact is nice to use and try.

[Ben Brown]

22 hours ago, Perspective Customs said:

Thanks Ben. That's interesting. So the paint doesn't soak through the post it or make it more sticky?

No, I’ve never had that happen. I use lacquers and just mist the paint on, building up the paint slowly, so it dries quickly. I don’t spray enough paint to soak the post it. It also sort of helps you limit the size of the area where you’re spraying, so you don’t get much overspray. 
 

Ben

[Perspect Scale Modelworks]

Blunder. 

I sprayed the decal with a thin coat of TS-13 and masked it off after the clear dried with Tamiya tape. Repainted the door, removed the tape, and got this;

? A small piece of the decal stuck to the tape and I have a nice tape line. I should have used the Post it method.

I asked in the Wanted section if anyone has a set of decals they don't need. Got 1 response but I don't have anything they were looking to trade for. I ordered an aftermarket set found on eBay but it's not great quality and the lines are thicker than the kit decal.

I have a set of Gofer Racing pinstripes that I'll try to modify. If that doesn't work I'll have to buy another kit just for the decals. ?

[tbill]

Ugh, sorry to see that happen, hopefully you can get back on track soon.

[Perspect Scale Modelworks]

6 hours ago, tbill said:

Ugh, sorry to see that happen, hopefully you can get back on track soon.

Thanks Tom. I was able to get a set of decals from someone on Instagram. Hopefully they arrive soon. I'll pull the rest of the decal off the door and apply the new one.

I have to say how much I am disappointed would be the word, that I was able to get a quicker response on Instagram than I did here. Assuming this forum to be a model building community, it has always been my go to source. Perhaps the Instagram community is just bigger. I don't know.