The Same but “ a little “ Different

[Rockford]

The company history is very interesting, thank you for compiling that so well. Sadly Hayes fell victim to the ruthlessness of Paccar. I do love their trucks but I have no illusions about their sharp business practices.

[Biggu]

  On 10/15/2024 at 10:48 AM, RoninUtah said:

What a great subject! That’s a fascinating history, and you’re going to have a unique model when it’s done. It’s off to a great start, looking forward to seeing your progress… I’m about to start another Pete 352 build myself!

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Thanks for the kind words and following along….. I am VERY interested in your up coming 352 build. I will be watching and looking for more and better ideas than I have.  I hope you start it soon. …… I’m excited for that. 
Jeff

[Biggu]

  On 10/15/2024 at 6:39 AM, Jürgen M. said:

That looks really good Jeff! Seems the cab is of good quality!

I remember building my Pacemaker. It had quite a few "disturbances" in the cab surface and other parts! 

Keep going, it's going to be a great build!

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“Disturbances” ?I love that. Lol. It took a lot of clean up to get  this far, and I know a lot of guys complain about the old AMT moulds and the quality of the kits, BUT to me , fixing the blemishes and clean up is ‘modelling’ …. And lining things up like frame rails so they are straight and true is modelling. I do check out some other forums , airplane ones for the most part and the litany of complaints of the parts don’t fit perfectly is sometimes off the clock, and to me, and I’m only speaking for me , perfect fit models is really not modelling it is more ‘assembling’ , modelling is doing the extra detail work to make something nice and or different with what you have before you. Those are just my own thoughts, I want to expand my skills and a leas than perfect kit does just that. For me anyway. 
Thanks for your kind words and encouragement JM ! 

[Biggu]

  On 10/15/2024 at 2:55 PM, Rockford said:

The company history is very interesting, thank you for compiling that so well. Sadly Hayes fell victim to the ruthlessness of Paccar. I do love their trucks but I have no illusions about their sharp business practices.

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Yeah , you’re sure right on that Steve. And when the numbers boys in the corporate offices make decisions ….. it’s all about the bottom line. Money. …. Huh?

[RoninUtah]

  On 10/15/2024 at 4:06 PM, Biggu said:

modelling is doing the extra detail work to make something nice and or different with what you have before you. 

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I couldn't agree more! Even a straight-up box build needs extra attention to get the build clean and the details right. Well said!

[Jürgen M.]

That is absolutely true! I can only agree! Of course it's nice when parts just fit without a lot of rework (Talk about the Ertl CO4070). A dream for anyone WHO despises extra work!

But yes, it is much more satisfying when you have to search you brain for good ideas how to straighten a chassis or carefully smoothen surfaces and edges! 

Taking that as a measure, printing parts is modeling XXL!

There's no part that goes through without rework! At least not from my printer! 

You guys have the true modeling spirit and I really appreciate that!

[Biggu]

  On 10/15/2024 at 4:34 PM, Jürgen M. said:

That is absolutely true! I can only agree! Of course it's nice when parts just fit without a lot of rework (Talk about the Ertl CO4070). A dream for anyone WHO despises extra work!

But yes, it is much more satisfying when you have to search you brain for good ideas how to straighten a chassis or carefully smoothen surfaces and edges! 

Taking that as a measure, printing parts is modeling XXL!

There's no part that goes through without rework! At least not from my printer! 

You guys have the true modeling spirit and I really appreciate that!

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Yes, exactly, and a nice clean build with no issues is a real nice pleasurable time, and if one has to fix and repair and modify EVERY kit, then modelling becomes 'work' and then there may be a loss of interest, but those shake and bake fall together kits are beautiful and more than have their place in the modeling world, and I love them as well ( I may even have a few ?  ) but even at that I see, on this site, those kits and what some of the guys do is absolutely amazing, as an example of going the extra 100 miles, Brian Kerr's Tandem Sand Truck  is a perfect example taking a nice kit and scratching an ' attachment' to take it to far beyond the next level is really modelling.... just my thoughts....

[ShakyCraftsman]

Hey Jeff 

 How are you going to replace the rivets you sanded off when you rerounded the cab corne?

[Biggu]

  On 10/15/2024 at 5:16 PM, ShakyCraftsman said:

Hey Jeff 

 How are you going to replace the rivets you sanded off when you rerounded the cab corne?

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I will very carefully sand it, and in fact it is the area above most of the rivet detail... I'm looking into the Archer rivets actually for the ones I mess up.....it isn't a lot of sanding but certainly enough to mess that detail up for sure.... how are you coming along with your builds?

[cdntrucking]

Nice work, I am definitely a fan of the Hayes Trucks

 

[Biggu]

  On 10/17/2024 at 5:42 PM, cdntrucking said:

Nice work, I am definitely a fan of the Hayes Trucks

 

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Oh me too Lewis , but holy detailed information is hard come by it seems. Glad you checked in ,

Jeff

[Biggu]

Not a huge update but enough to keep the thread alive. So, because the inside of the cab looks somewhat unsightly and sometimes just paint doesn’t really do a decent job, I made a ‘head liner’ , although not perfect but good enough to pass when installed and under a splash of paint. It will suffice as it is not a real glaring piece but will be visible if looking into the cab .

[Biggu]

Another small thing is that I have noticed that some of the Hayes Clipper 100’s seem to have the 100 gallon fuel tank and it seems most just have a single large instead of the 2 smaller 50 gallon tanks as the Pete 352 shows. It is a bit difficult to be sure that there was only one 100 gallon fuel tank and not two as detailed information on these trucks is somewhat elusive. So I found, in my parts box a 45 year old Kenworth fuel tank .  It needed to be disassembled, de-chromed, re-assembled ( sounds like a bug job, eh? LOL but only four easy pieces ) and then the molded in straps needed to be sanded off. I have some nice p/e straps I want to try and hopefully not making a hash out of. We will see…., next conundrum is….. re-chrome ( not really sure I want to do that), paint frame color, or paint silver like they did back in the day. This being a work truck, I’m leaning towards the paint is silver……any thoughts from you guys would be welcome food for thought. …

[Gary Chastain]

Not sure if this helps, some garage experiments with these paints. I have used all three for different look for my builds. Oh, and these will not finger print when dry, so you can work with them. 

the Krylon is a flatter finish ( looks like dull aluminum), the Rustoleum is a similar color but a bit more gloss ( works good for an aluminum wheel or detail). Then the Revell chrome. 

[BK9300]

Nice refurbishing of the old tank - sure looks better than the way we used to put them together 30 years ago!

[Jürgen M.]

  On 10/18/2024 at 6:58 PM, Gary Chastain said:

Not sure if this helps, some garage experiments with these paints. I have used all three for different look for my builds. Oh, and these will not finger print when dry, so you can work with them. 

the Krylon is a flatter finish ( looks like dull aluminum), the Rustoleum is a similar color but a bit more gloss ( works good for an aluminum wheel or detail). Then the Revell chrome. 

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I think Revell chrome is pretty good! After I have it a second chance (or rather myself in handling it) I'm pretty Fond of it!

This is coated with Revell chrome:

[Biggu]

  On 10/18/2024 at 7:16 PM, Jürgen M. said:

I think Revell chrome is pretty good! After I have it a second chance (or rather myself in handling it) I'm pretty Fond of it!

This is coated with Revell chrome:

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That's good to know, however it is frightfully expensive.... it does have nice results..... by looking at Gary's garage experiments, looks to me as black is the base for the good finishes, I bought some 'chrome' paint from Canadian tire and it is garbage, came out of the can like Spackle.... I was less than impressed, and it came out like opening a hose tap ! Although I see Gary got good results, maybe it was the operator? ( me ) ....

[Biggu]

  On 10/18/2024 at 6:58 PM, Gary Chastain said:

Not sure if this helps, some garage experiments with these paints. I have used all three for different look for my builds. Oh, and these will not finger print when dry, so you can work with them. 

the Krylon is a flatter finish ( looks like dull aluminum), the Rustoleum is a similar color but a bit more gloss ( works good for an aluminum wheel or detail). Then the Revell chrome. 

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Thanks Gary, that's really great info.... I haven't had great luck with cans, and like I mentioned to Jurgen, maybe it was my operating skills or lack there of....

[Biggu]

  On 10/18/2024 at 7:07 PM, BK9300 said:

Nice refurbishing of the old tank - sure looks better than the way we used to put them together 30 years ago!

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Thanks, Brian... still a ways to go though, but you are absolutely correct, amazing what a little patience and accuracy can produce ! LOL Sorry for the crummy pics, its my phone....

[Jürgen M.]

  On 10/18/2024 at 7:29 PM, Biggu said:

That's good to know, however it is frightfully expensive.... it does have nice results..... by looking at Gary's garage experiments, looks to me as black is the base for the good finishes, I bought some 'chrome' paint from Canadian tire and it is garbage, came out of the can like Spackle.... I was less than impressed, and it came out like opening a hose tap ! Although I see Gary got good results, maybe it was the operator? ( me ) ....

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Yes, it is expensive but I haven't found anything similar yet. And yes, I admit I stole that idea with the gloss black Under the chrome! It does improve the effect of high gloss chrome! I can recommend it!

Edited October 18, 2024 by Jürgen M.

[RoninUtah]

  On 10/18/2024 at 5:49 PM, Biggu said:

So, because the inside of the cab looks somewhat unsightly and sometimes just paint doesn’t really do a decent job, I made a ‘head liner’...

 

 

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Great idea! What material did you use?

  On 10/18/2024 at 6:58 PM, Gary Chastain said:

Not sure if this helps, some garage experiments with these paints. I have used all three for different look for my builds. Oh, and these will not finger print when dry, so you can work with them. 

the Krylon is a flatter finish ( looks like dull aluminum), the Rustoleum is a similar color but a bit more gloss ( works good for an aluminum wheel or detail). Then the Revell chrome. 

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On my W990 build, I used Motlow Liquid Chrome, out of the "refill" bottle. I airbrushed it (easy cleanup with rubbing alcohol), and it turned out great.

[Jürgen M.]

Nice idea! Maybe I'll try that out! Thanks!

[Biggu]

  On 10/18/2024 at 7:57 PM, RoninUtah said:

Great idea! What material did you use?

On my W990 build, I used Motlow Liquid Chrome, out of the "refill" bottle. I airbrushed it (easy cleanup with rubbing alcohol), and it turned out great.

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I used a square of . 020 sheet styrene and took one of those cheap shop cloths, and watered down white glue, and soaked the paper towel, and layed it on the sheet to really dry, did a light trim and Bazinga ! I think a shot of paint that will be the interior color will give the illusion of a headliner, not hugely visible, but when I look inside it may appear a little more finished..... I used the Molitow pen on some builds, but the refill bottle sounds possible too.... when you air brushed it... thinned or straight out of the bottle....?

[Biggu]

  On 10/18/2024 at 8:43 PM, Jürgen M. said:

Nice idea! Maybe I'll try that out! Thanks!

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Jurgen, take all the information you can, this forum  is a melting pot for ideas for sure.... and if you try it and it works, be sure to let us know.... information and communication is gold ....

[RoninUtah]

  On 10/18/2024 at 9:07 PM, Biggu said:

I used a square of . 020 sheet styrene and took one of those cheap shop cloths, and watered down white glue, and soaked the paper towel, and layed it on the sheet to really dry, did a light trim and Bazinga ! I think a shot of paint that will be the interior color will give the illusion of a headliner, not hugely visible, but when I look inside it may appear a little more finished..... I used the Molitow pen on some builds, but the refill bottle sounds possible too.... when you air brushed it... thinned or straight out of the bottle....?

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Great idea for the headliner, I'll think about using that on the build I'm planning now!  I got frustrated with the Motlow pens- they only seem to work only half the time, and you never know if you're going to get a nice thick line that looks like real chrome, or something less.  I buy the refill bottles, and I use a brush for small detail painting- I have a lot more control that way. When I airbrushed it, I used it straight out of the bottle, with no thinning. It cleans up super-easy with alcohol. One bottle lasts a surprisingly long time.