dencon Posted June 21, 2009 Author Posted June 21, 2009 Thanks for the pics, Irvin I wonder if I should try to get ahold of one of these ElCamino kits to make a cast of that chassis. Matt
evilone Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 WAIT HOLD THE PHONES I know for a fact the 69 chevelles and the 69 elcos have the exact same wheel base.I know this because i have worked on both models.Both were SS and the only difference was the rear seat/trunk space was replaced by a bed to make the elco.AMT really dropped the ball on this one.
dencon Posted June 21, 2009 Author Posted June 21, 2009 WAIT HOLD THE PHONES I know for a fact the 69 chevelles and the 69 elcos have the exact same wheel base.I know this because i have worked on both models.Both were SS and the only difference was the rear seat/trunk space was replaced by a bed to make the elco.AMT really dropped the ball on this one. Kevin First off. YOU MAGGOT! Second, I have to agree with you. That is why I thought that the Chevelle chassis and the ElCamino chassis would be the same. But , as you can see by the photos. We have a problem here. LOL! I have often found that the model car world and the real world usually never agree. That is why you can never take something from the model car world and take for fact. It is like the 57 Chevys. For so many years the old AMT 57 was the standard to go by and then when AMT came out with the new one. Everyone thought that it was off. Too wide. But the fact that the old 57 had been the thing that was out of proportion. But it was what everyone in model cars were use to. So the new one looked out of scale and too wide. Stay (sic) brother
Irvin Arter Jr. Posted June 21, 2009 Posted June 21, 2009 I don't know where you get your facts evilone but, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. I have a real 69 El Camino that is on the rear end of a frame off resto and I have both AMT 69 org. model kits and they are correct just like the 1 to 1s are. I can't say what the 68 new tool is like but, like I said before I never liked a 68 so I did not check that one. It really doesn't matter as long as he tells us which one fits his resin and or stretches a coupe frame to fit and cast
dencon Posted June 22, 2009 Author Posted June 22, 2009 This is how we are going to end up with this wagon. It is going to be a 69. The first offering will be the body, rear bumper and tail lights. There will be other levels offered later for, of course, more money. You will need the 69 Chevelle as a donor for the front bumper/grill, SS hood, windshield, mainly. Later I will be offering more options for this body. A flat hood, wagon interior, bench front seat, and the front bumper/grill if you do not want to raid one from a chevelle kit. As for that chassis. Unless I ever get a hold of one of those old AMT 69 El Caminos (Because that is what this wagon body was originally based off of). It will be up to the modeler. Again I want to offer this body kit, as I will with all of my future body kits. Options to buy as much as you want. When everything is offered as a full kit. We will be looking at a $50 or $60 kit. But the base offering of just the body, rear bumper and tail lights will be much lower. (Price will not be set until I am finished). With that base kit, later you will be able to add on as much of the full kit you want depending on how much you want to spend. I am taking this resin body kit thing like it use to be when buying a car back in the good old days. You get the car YOU ordered. Like I said before. As for the newer 68 El Camino. I am sure that anyone could get this to fit for a chassis. But I will not suggest it, because it is not a direct fit. It will take some work. It is wider and with the interior door panels. It is also too tall. The wagon body is almost done. Still needs a bunch of detail body work. It will not go into the rubber until I got it to when the customer dose not need to do any major body work. Clean , clean, clean. is the only way I want resin bodies by me to be. As little clean up and prep as possible. Here is a sneak peek of what I have so far. Thanks for all of your interest in this project. www.denconresin.com
Rob Hall Posted June 22, 2009 Posted June 22, 2009 F&F resin did a '69 wagon years ago, I have one in my to-build resin collection. I'd love to see a '70 El Camino and '70 wagon.
Pete J. Posted June 22, 2009 Posted June 22, 2009 And now for something completely different in a wagon!
dencon Posted June 22, 2009 Author Posted June 22, 2009 F&F resin did a '69 wagon years ago, I have one in my to-build resin collection. I'd love to see a '70 El Camino and '70 wagon. You are correct. That is where this master came from. I bought it from Ed with his knowledge and blessing to start production. If this sells well. I WILL do the 70 next. I also already have a master just about done for the 70 El Camino. Now that is made to work with the newer 68 El Camino kit. I just have to finish a fwe things on that body and get rid of that vinyl top. That one is a little ways off. Oh yea. The 70 E- Camino will come with the correct front bumper. So you will not have to use the 70 Chevelle front bumper with the rectangle blinkers. To be correct for a 70 El Camino. You need the round blinkers in the bumper. I will take some pics of that body later a post when it gets closer to production.
Irvin Arter Jr. Posted June 22, 2009 Posted June 22, 2009 Ed, lives 20 or so miles from me. Maybe I can see if he would cast a one pull off the frame of my el camino and send you one. I see no problem with people cutting the chevelle frame and adding 3/16" to it or I can check and see if we can do that and send you a master repaired frame to use and cast
dencon Posted June 22, 2009 Author Posted June 22, 2009 Thanks for thinking of that, but that would be quite an expense for Ed to make a mold for one pull of that chassis. You are looking at at least 3 to 5 pounds of RTV and that could be close to $100.00. I am sure I will come across one of those chassis in time. Right now I am into this project at about $400.00 and I am not even counting my time (My time IS money) and I have not even poured the rubber yet let alone pop out the first one. I really do appreciate your input on this. You have been a big help with this.
Irvin Arter Jr. Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 I talked to MJ (another friend of Ed's) and he said that wagon was designed to use the coupe frame. So I guess some time in the past the wheelbase was modified to fit the frame from the Chevelle. So I guess the 69 or 70 chevelle from AMT will work. I am still interested in buying a 69 and a 70 from you when your ready. Sorry about questioning the frame! Irvin
dencon Posted June 23, 2009 Author Posted June 23, 2009 Thanks for that info, but It is looking like the Chevelle chassis is going to be too short. I think I have a line on an old El Camino for the chassis. Take a look at the pics.
cooltoys1 Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 On the contrary, Eds original wagon was NOT designed to use the coupe frame. I have Eds master of the 72 wagon and it does not fit on the coupe frame. Jay
Irvin Arter Jr. Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 WOW, Were all mixed up (HaHa) What ever you do. including a frame,instructions for stretching a coupe frame. I am still interested in one.
dencon Posted June 24, 2009 Author Posted June 24, 2009 On the contrary, Eds original wagon was NOT designed to use the coupe frame. I have Eds master of the 72 wagon and it does not fit on the coupe frame. Jay Did you get the flat hood with that master?
cooltoys1 Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) Me too, Me too! I want 1 of each. I have the 72 Drag City Casting Master on epay as we speak. Its just a little rough for my taste. The door lines are a little rough. Steve, that is because the 67 is 1/24 and the Camino is 1/25 That would be a good chassis to use for the wagon because of the detail, but we are all forgeting the wagon underpinnings such as the cargo area and the side mounted gas tank that is in the driver side quarter panel. And also the spare tire stowage area in the pass side q-panel. J Edited June 24, 2009 by cooltoys1
cooltoys1 Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) Dencon, (sorry Bud, i dont know your name yet) I do have the flat Malibu hood, but being the master, the hood is molded in. I was going to build a replica of my 71 Nomad, id cut the hood out, but its on epay now, so if it doesnt sell, ill do my car. Jay Edited June 24, 2009 by cooltoys1
dencon Posted June 24, 2009 Author Posted June 24, 2009 Dencon, (sorry Bud, i dont know your name yet) I do have the flat Malibu hood, but being the master, the hood is molded in. I was going to build a replica of my 71 Nomad, id cut the hood out, but its on epay now, so if it doesnt sell, ill do my car. Jay Jay I am looking at your e-bay auction right now. Man, it is too bad that we did not find each other about a month ago. If you only knew what I paid for the one I got. I am sure it will sell. And it is a good thing that you are selling it now. Before mine comes out. Because I am going to level out the value of any of these that go on e-bay. Because they are rare right now. I have seen them go for upwards of 100 bucks, plus. The last one that was on there two months ago. Went for 90. What was your buy it now. If I would have caught it before some one bid on it. I would have bought it from you. Matt
cooltoys1 Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 Oh, but that chassis is still the wrong layout from the rear end back
cooltoys1 Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 WAIT! Chassis, as i stated before, from the ElCamino would be WRONG for the wagon!! The ElCamino chassis from any issue has the gas tank between the frame rails in the rear of the car, WHICH IS INCORRECT for the wagon. The gas tank in the wagon is inside the rear quarter panel on the driver side. there is a stowage area where the gas tank would normally be in between the frame rails in the rear behind the rear bumper. Dont forget the spare tire well on the pass side too. Ill see if i can scare up some pics of my wagon i had. Jay
Steven Zimmerman Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 I don't care if this frame is right,or that frame is wrong,I just want this poor fella to cast the body so I can purchase one......If I have to,I will scratchbuild/kitbash a frame for it. I'll probably modify it into a 2 door wagon anyway,then whatever frame I use WILL be correct-'cause it will be a phantom!.....(GRIN)....Steve Zimmerman aka the'Z'man.......
cooltoys1 Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) A 2 door wagon.....NOW THATS KOOL!!!!!!! Edited June 24, 2009 by cooltoys1
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