Guest Mustang3.8 Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 KUZTOMMODELS88 said: hey dave, you know hes only 13! i remeber when i was that young, i wasn't that good! i remeber putting finger prints on everything! and then i looked at the finger prints as my signature! (everyone's print is different!) and nick, please don't take this hard, but practice makes perfect! it took me 6 years before i can spray paint good! and i still can't brush paint the bodies! i always leave brush strokes!!! LOL! and what dave is saying is, look at it through another person's eyes!!! thats what i do! please don't get mad at what i said! i am only being honest! i can be a smart azz, and a little rude, and i am very sorry for that! He still does a way better job then I did when I was 13.
B_rad88 Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 same here!!! oh, and i forgot to mention when i was 13, i NEVER had a clear/clean windows!!!!!!! they always came out spoted from glue or finger prints or other stuff!
RodneyBad Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Ya gotta crawl before you can walk. You are on a good start You found this site. That is a whole lot better than alot of people started out with. The first few models I've brushed painted I can still see in my head today. And brush painting a whole model isn't easy or fast.. Your CopCar is full of Good intentions and detail. Handcuffs, spare tire, Cage, CB Antenna, Blanket. It is all a Learning Curve. You've finished more Models than I have. and Finishing them is the biggest hurdle. Take constructive Criticism with a grain of salt (what does that really mean? Don't take it personally?) Build it and they will come.
Dingo Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Nick no one has told me anything bad about you I must say that first of. I have had so much grief over my model builds latel Nick I don't know whether I'm coming or going the rubbish that has come my way has been out of this world just like yours and as I don't know a lot about what has happen with you I won't go into too far and I'll leave it at that, like all other on this forum and a couple of other forums that are good to me I can't say any and nor will I say any bad words it just gets you in the crapper. So I'll leave it at that and say I hope it settles down for you real soon Nick we can't afford this mud throwing that's going on too many forums are starting to fall apart because of it we don't need it here. Dingo
roadhawg Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 If it makes you feel any better, your Rockford Firebird project has inspired me to build one of my own. Very cool idea!
Nick Winter Posted July 20, 2009 Author Posted July 20, 2009 RyanSilva said: You were not thrown under the bus in your resin topic, those were fair responses.. sometimes getting a straight answer is a little tough to take in...but this is a public forum,where opinions are shared whether asked or not. second last post I was seriously.
Nick Winter Posted July 20, 2009 Author Posted July 20, 2009 davezinn said: i'm guessing you have a whole lot to learn still about "constructive" criticism. you post pics of your projects and builds and invite responses in a public forum, be prepared for what some will say. to be perfectly honest with you i think you have alot to learn and your builds arent very good. i'm not attacking you or attempting to "throw you under the bus" here, just stating my opinion. the few posts that i've looked at with your finished builds i thought showed potential and i think you've got some good ideas. you really need to work on your painting and glue application though and i think if you pay attention and listen to what people are saying and when they are offering you advice or a helping hand you will improve. someone posted thier view and opinion of your garage diorama and it made you mad, but stop for a minute and look at it and think about what the person said. same goes for your police car '57. set that thing out and really have a look at it and think about what some of the criticism was regarding it. look at it from a different perspective. Dave Wow Dave talk about a low blow, ouch that hurt in many ways. Mybe you should keep your opinions to your self next time. That car was a glue bomb that I bought at a yard sale and tore apart and started work on. KUZTOMMODELS88 said: hey dave, you know hes only 13! i remeber when i was that young, i wasn't that good! i remeber putting finger prints on everything! and then i looked at the finger prints as my signature! (everyone's print is different!) and nick, please don't take this hard, but practice makes perfect! it took me 6 years before i can spray paint good! and i still can't brush paint the bodies! i always leave brush strokes!!! LOL! and what dave is saying is, look at it through another person's eyes!!! thats what i do! please don't get mad at what i said! i am only being honest! i can be a smart azz, and a little rude, and i am very sorry for that! Thanks Brandon, but Who care's how old I am, would you guys think difrantley if I was 25, 35 75 95 building the same way.
Nick Winter Posted July 20, 2009 Author Posted July 20, 2009 Mustang3.8 said: He still does a way better job then I did when I was 13. Thanks Kevin. KUZTOMMODELS88 said: same here!!! oh, and i forgot to mention when i was 13, i NEVER had a clear/clean windows!!!!!!! they always came out spoted from glue or finger prints or other stuff! Well after some time practicing with old car bodies I figured out how to put the windows in without smugging them.
Nick Winter Posted July 20, 2009 Author Posted July 20, 2009 Zukiholic said: Ya gotta crawl before you can walk. You are on a good start You found this site. That is a whole lot better than alot of people started out with. The first few models I've brushed painted I can still see in my head today. And brush painting a whole model isn't easy or fast.. Your CopCar is full of Good intentions and detail. Handcuffs, spare tire, Cage, CB Antenna, Blanket. It is all a Learning Curve. You've finished more Models than I have. and Finishing them is the biggest hurdle. Take constructive Criticism with a grain of salt (what does that really mean? Don't take it personally?) Build it and they will come. Well that is a whole lot nicer than some of your other comments. Bluesman Mark said: I had no idea what this was about, until I read this & then went to the threads listed in it: Having read all three threads now, & looked at the merchandise offered on the resin site, I understand what's going on. Nick, first of all, let me say this; you have a lot of potential as a modeler. You're creative, imaginative, & show talent & enthusiasm for the hobby. The problem as I see it is twofold: 1-Your enthusiasm outweighs your abilities of execution, something we all suffer from in this hobby, no matter what age we are. 2-You're trying to do too many things at once & too fast, (such as your garage diorama), & this leads to sloppy work. Slow down, refine & improve your skills & talent, & learn from the advice & constructive criticism others have given you. I didn't read anything in those three threads where people were putting you or your work down. You posted pictures hoping for a response. Well every response you got reflected honest appraisals of your work & friendly advice to help you improve as a modeler. Right now I'd concentrate on improving your painting skills & on building as cleanly as you can. Before you begin spending money on & getting involved in resin casting, (more on that in a moment), invest in quality tools to help you become better at the hobby. You'll find the better you get at this, the more you'll enjoy it. Get some spray cans & some old metal coffee cans, (they still sell coffee in those, the store I work in offers it that way), & practice spray painting on them. That's the best way to develop spray painting skills without painting every model in your collection for a learning curve. Once you've gotten comfortable with that, then transfer those skills to a model car body. Pretty soon you'll be spray painting almost everything in a model, using brushes mainly for detail painting. Learn to build cleanly. Sandpaper, sanding sticks, emery boards, files & other sanding material are essential for removing glue spots, smears & streaks. The cleaner it is before you paint it, the better it's going to look with paint on it. Paint does not hide any flaws, it only magnifies them. Learn how much glue is needed to hold parts together & not be too much. Learn the basics first. Do a few models like that, & then transfer those skills into another diorama. You'll be amazed at the progress you will have made. Once you've mastered those skills, begin learning how to do more & incorporate what you learn into future builds. Patience is the key to enjoyment & improving one's skills in this hobby. Model building isn't an "instant gratification" kind of hobby. It takes time & practice to develop your talents in it. Now, about resin casting. I've been back in the hobby for almost twenty years now, have been working on resin casting off & on for two years, & I'm still trying to get good enough at resin casting to even begin to think about offering my parts for sale. There's nothing at all wrong about asking for help in learning about resin casting, but there is a problem when one announces a resin casting sevice, posts a list of what all they soon hope to cast, & they then begin to ask how to cast parts. Remember, learn the basics first. What I have seen from your website shows that you need to learn more on cleanup of the masters before casting, as well as the casting process itself. Quality work will ensure repeat business. Right now, based on the photos on your site, you're not ready to actually begin selling products yet. Practice, practice, practice! Nick, you have tons of potential & lot's of enthusiasm, both of which are important to any hobby. Take that enthusiasm & focus it on getting your skills & talent up to the level of your potential & enthusiasm, & then try new things, such as resin casting. None of this was meant as a put down or an insult, but by the same token you can't expect that everything everyone is going to say will always be positive, if you ask for honest opinions & appraisals. Thanks Mark.
Nick Winter Posted July 20, 2009 Author Posted July 20, 2009 Dingo said: Nick no one has told me anything bad about you I must say that first of. I have had so much grief over my model builds latel Nick I don't know whether I'm coming or going the rubbish that has come my way has been out of this world just like yours and as I don't know a lot about what has happen with you I won't go into too far and I'll leave it at that, like all other on this forum and a couple of other forums that are good to me I can't say any and nor will I say any bad words it just gets you in the crapper. So I'll leave it at that and say I hope it settles down for you real soon Nick we can't afford this mud throwing that's going on too many forums are starting to fall apart because of it we don't need it here. Dingo Thanks, and some of your stuff is cool, Atleast I liked it. roadhawg said: If it makes you feel any better, your Rockford Firebird project has inspired me to build one of my own. Very cool idea! Thanks and it does.
Guest Mustang3.8 Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Woah, Dave. That was a hard blow! We all can't be perfect at 13. Nick puts some real creativity into his builds. Like his '84 GMC Dually, that was some of the best scratch building I have seen by someone of his age. When I watch his builds, I can't find anything that I don't like about them. I know I'm still not perfect. There are still things that I dare not try. Build on, Nick.
Nick Winter Posted July 20, 2009 Author Posted July 20, 2009 Mustang3.8 said: Woah, Dave. That was a hard blow! We all can't be perfect at 13. Nick puts some real creativity into his builds. Like his '84 GMC Dually, that was some of the best scratch building I have seen by someone of his age. When I watch his builds, I can't find anything that I don't like about them. I know I'm still not perfect. There are still things that I dare not try. Build on, Nick. Wow thanks Kevin that's one of the nicest things anyones ever said about me. I actually taught my self to scratch build by building a travel trailer.
Guest Mustang3.8 Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) That's what friends are for, 'cuz. Dave's comment was un-called for. I saw your trailer. It was nicely done. I was gonna attept to scratch build an Airstream trailer, but I could not get it right. Edited July 20, 2009 by Mustang3.8
Nick Winter Posted July 20, 2009 Author Posted July 20, 2009 Mustang3.8 said: That's what friends are for, 'cuz. Dave's comment was un-called for. I saw your trailer. It was nicely done. I was gonna attept to scratch build an Airstream trailer, but I could not get it right. For an air stream if you want my advise use a pop bottle for the body and work off it. davezinn said: i never said anything about being perfect at 13 at that age your still a kid, with the whole world ahead of you and waiting. Nick, i have an honest question for you here. how do you view yourself as a modeler? where do you think your skill level is at? beginner, amatuer, professional, how do YOU rate yourself? Dave I view myself as a good modeler not terrible not perfect not great, just good. As for my skill level some where between amatuer and proffesional.
Modelmartin Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 You have to remember Nick, that this forum is mainly inhabited by adult builders and sometimes it can be hard for someone younger to interact with older, serious builders, especially if you are looking for kudos for your builds. I think almost everyone will try to encourage you in your quest to build better models but you will be disappointed with us if you are looking to impress us. If you come to us for advice and encouragement, you will get that for sure. I well remember when I was building at your age and over-reaching for results and trying to build things that were over my head. I would never tell you to not do that. I say go for it - I did, and eventually (late teens, early twenties) I got a lot closer to where I wanted to be skill-wise. I am 52 now and I am still getting better! Keep at it and try not to get too mad when people criticise your builds. Vow to yourself that you will show those miserable geezers how to build!!! Then do it! Be cool!
Harry P. Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Here's some more advice (hey, you didn't ask for it, but it's free!!! ): Don't take comments about your work as a personal slam. After all, 99% of the people here don't know you personally, they just know your models. Read the comments, take a look at what is being said, and see if you can incorporate the comments and suggestions into your next model. That's the way you should be reacting... taking the comments as suggestions as to how you could do things better next time, not as a put-down of what you posted. And remember, some people are better at putting their comments and critiques into words than others are... but I doubt very much that anyone who has made comments on your work was purposely trying to "throw you under the bus"...
Harry P. Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Dukefan69 said: As for my skill level some where between amatuer and proffesional. That pretty much sums it up for 99.99% of us!
george 53 Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 Nick, regardless of your skill level, you should build for YOURSELF!!!!!!!! I just can't think of a young builder who can build at a proffesional level, much less please EVERYBODY! This is a hobby of relaxation. If you build ONLY for competition, your gonna be dissapointed. Do it for yourself, learn with each new build, an if it makes you happy, then who cares if someone else doesn't like it. I don't really care for ANY Mustang built after 1970, but that don't keep me from buildin em, i just don't build alot of 'em. Get used to critisim, they's ALWAYS gonna be SOMEONE who THINKS they can do better. So who cares. You yourself should be happy with your builds regardless of who does or doesn't like your work. You build to make yourself happy, an if someone should admire your work, all the better. Don't EVER worry about what someone thinks of your effort, unless your PURPOSELY building for THEM. There's alot of young guys on here that can build ALOT better than me, It don't phase me at all. For example, Mike (Raisin) Garrett, he's ONLY been building for about 5 years(his estamate,not mine), but he's gotta be 1'000 light years BETTER than me, an I been playin with these cars for 50 YEARS!!!!!! I just get all fuzzy an warm inside when I see some of his builds, they'r SO pretty. Jus makes me wanna do a better job next time. I could care less if anyone likes my builds, as I've ALWAYS built for myself, and if I like it,tuff for who don't. Anyone who tears your builds down probly jus was jealous that you beat him to the punch on an idea, or he tried it, an couldn't do as well as you did. Don't worry 'bout what folks think of your builds, ALL that is important is what YOU think of your builds! After all it's just a hobby, and they are,after all ONLY model cars. Just enjoy yourself an have fun! ( an another Pepsi, if ya want)
RodBurNeR Posted July 20, 2009 Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) I have been trying to reply to this thread and erased a lengthy one because I didn't want to sound like a jerk. I mean...I don't want to sound like I think of myself as some kind of "pro" because I am not. I enjoy building and creating for myself. I don't care what anyone else thinks of my models, but I do like to share them with others...if they like them COOL...but if not, it's their preference and has nothing to do with how I feel. Sometimes someone says something , but I have taken some of that onto the "next build". Many times I already know what I either messed up on or left out. I do each model the way I feel like doing them, some are more detailed than others...some are just to feel "free" like I did when I was a kid....without the nasty glue and paint mess though! The way we talk, the way we present our models and how we respond to each other "online" is VERY different than how we are in person. How a person perceives us through our "written' words is almost always nicer sounding in person.....some people just can't post something without unintentionally sounding mean. Much like the post I decided not to send, I didn't want anyone to perceive me as thinking my doo-doo don't stink....trust me it does :ph34r: Not "slamming" you and I don't know if anyone has mentioned it....but if you ever get angry again over anything....think before you type. Many people will read this thread one time....see what you initially said and then never read anymore of the whole thread....they will automatically have a "picture" of you as some hillbilly in his 40s throwing a fit.....that's how I pictured you before I found out you were 13. Take your time....take it easy, build for you ...but if you want to get some WOW's...you should ask for help, try some new things, take a hard look at your models and others models... Don't rush, you have PLENTY of time to get a WOW out of people. I personaly envy kids like you, who are so innocent and still building with an unfocused eye....enjoying it the way most all of the older guys did as they were kids.....that's what keeps us all going all these years! I am 35.....building since 1978ish. Edited July 20, 2009 by awbcrazy
Nick Winter Posted July 20, 2009 Author Posted July 20, 2009 Well i understand now and will take into concideration everything said but it's time to set this aside.
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