What kind of music.....

[Harry P.]

"Freaking Who Knows What" would be a good name for a band...

[RJWood]

well, lets look at my CD collection:

Golden Earring

and yet there's more...

Did someone say Golden earring?

The best song for driving, EVER.

[Jairus]

Ken if you actually READ the thread you will find quite a bit of debate over music and I was not the first to hint at the lack of good music on the airwaves today. Nore was I the first to make a judgement call on someone else's musical tastes. (Or lack thereof) So calling only me out makes you a hypocrite... or a fan. I am not sure which at this time...

Thanks for the salutations tho... and I totally agree with Mark's choice of "Kind of Blue", which is spinning on the turntable now as I type!

[Harry P.]

...spinning on the turntable now as I type...

How retro of you!

[Jairus]

For that classic, I highly recommend switching to CD, for a very important reason.

It seems that when it was first mastered, they mastered the first three songs at the wrong pitch, which put them in the wrong key & gives them a "tinny" sound. Any of the most recent CD remasters has them at the proper pitch & key, with a much richer & fuller sound, like the rest of the album sounds.

I learned that from the liner notes of the recent CD reissue!

Thanks Mark. I have both... just prefer spinning vinyl and the tactile feeling of the cardboard sleeve and large black disc.

[Jairus]

Not to mention the inserted posters (Queen "Jazz") and image wheels (Zepp III), fly zipper (Stones "Sticky Fingers"), and all the other artistic album covers (Alice Cooper). It is a lost art....

[Jon Cole]

What? No fans of Tazmanian Yodelling? Go figgur....

[Harry P.]

Not to mention the inserted posters (Queen "Jazz") and image wheels (Zepp III), fly zipper (Stones "Sticky Fingers"), and all the other artistic album covers (Alice Cooper). It is a lost art....

I much prefer a CD to a vinyl LP, just for the convenience of it, if nothing else... but I agree those old album covers and misc. stuff you would sometimes get along with the album were very cool. A lost art, for sure.

For example, 3-D glasses with Grand Funk's Shinin' On album so you could see the cover in 3-D, "panties" used as a record sleeve on Alice Cooper's School's Out album (true! I have it!), the spinning disc with the cutouts on Led Zeppelin III, posters/stickers/misc. other extra stuff. If any of you have the Chicago at Carnegie Hall box set of 4 LPs you'll know what I mean. There was a HUGE poster in there, along with all kinds of very political (you could say controversial) material too. Could you imagine a record company these days ok-ing a package like that??? Way too much PC going on these days...

[jbwelda]

Q: what did the deadhead say when the drugs ran out?

A: what the heck is this crappy music we are listening to?

[Jairus]

..."panties" used as a record sleeve on Alice Cooper's School's Out album (true! I have it!)...

Picture please!

I have that 1972 album with the fold out stand and opening desk from 1972 but my inner record sleeve is just a plastic bag. The outer cardboard sleeve has a face like an old wood top school desk suitably carved and marked up. HARRY, WHAT YOU GOT?

[Harry P.]

Picture please!

I have that 1972 album with the fold out stand and opening desk from 1972 but my inner record sleeve is just a plastic bag. The outer cardboard sleeve has a face like an old wood top school desk suitably carved and marked up. HARRY, WHAT YOU GOT?

I think the early versions of the album had the "panties," later issues didn't... but they all had the desk where the "top" flipped open like a real desk. My albums are buried somewhere in boxes in the basement... I'm not sure I want to go down there on an archeological dig today!

From wikipedia: The original album cover (designed by Craig Braun^[1]) had the sleeve opening in the manner of an old school desk. The vinyl record inside was wrapped in a pair of girl's panties. This original issue was recalled because the panties were not flame-retardant.

[Harry P.]

Hey Jairus... you don't happen to have an original Beatles "butcher cover" album, do you?

[Jairus]

Harry, OKAY... did some digging and found out that what you have there is fairly rare. The original Alice Cooper release had a paper "panties" sleeve around the record but was recalled (not due to unintended accelleration) because some jerk thought they were not flame retardent.

That photo is courtesy musictap.net. A vinyl blog of sorts and a place I will be returning to from time to time.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Jairus

[Jairus]

Hey Jairus... you don't happen to have an original Beatles "butcher cover" album, do you?

Not likely!

Like Alice Cooper.... I have the cleaned up version. My Aunt gave it to me after she tore off a corner thinking it MIGHT be one of the ones were the producer applied a new face to the album jacket. Apparently there were three record producers and one simply glued a new paper printed cover while another made a whole new sleeve and swapped the albums. Aunt Karen bought that album from Tower Records here in Salem when it first came out. She had a good chance of getting the right one so I have no hard feelings now owning a good copy with a damaged jacket.

[jbwelda]

>you don't happen to have an original Beatles "butcher cover" album, do you

ive had three over the years, all found in thrift stores for cheap. sold them all. they are around in second state condition if you know what to look for, and the replacement cover typically comes off easily and well when processed properly. i actually had one i bought on original release but sold that back in 69 or 70 for a little college money. wasnt bringing big bucks back then but still enough for a couple tanks of gas for my porsche.

i have japanese issues of rolling stones records that come with a tiny condom for the turntable spindle. kinda funny and it took me a decade to figure out what that dumb thing was supposed to be.

[jbwelda]

if you are referring to the butcher block cover here, im afraid you dont have a clue. if not, sorry for the intrusion:

>My Aunt gave it to me after she tore off a corner thinking it MIGHT be one of the ones were the producer applied

>a new face to the album jacket. Apparently there were three record producers and one simply glued a new paper

>printed cover while another made a whole new sleeve and swapped the albums. Aunt Karen bought that album from

>Tower Records here in Salem when it first came out. She had a good chance of getting the right one so I have no

>hard feelings now owning a good copy with a damaged jacket.

"record producer"??? the only record producer was george martin, he produced beatle records. if you mean "manufacturer" there was only one manufacturer of capitol records in the usa. and the story is it was released with the butcher block cover, they thought different of it after a few days and recalled the record to have a new cover pasted over the old, and then put them back on the market. later pressings had the new cover. a cover in original condition (eg: not pasted over) is called "first state", one pasted over but not removed or messed with, "second state" and one removed to reveal the original cover, "third state". you can tell a second state easily because you can see the image below in the white space of the pasted on cover. thats all from memory so maybe its a bit off but not far.

a lot of "first state" records were sold before the recall, then a ton of "second state" (and inevitably third state as people removed the replacement cover) were available. there were hundreds of thousands of second state records available so they are not that rare, but turns out much rarer than third state ones because most everyone defiled the second state covers by peeling them (including yours truly more often than not) and i believe now second state copies bring quite a bit more than third state ones.

if you were on about alice cooper than forgive me i know nothing about that clown...

[jbwelda]

ps: if you want a *real* rare beatles album, find an original veejay label introducing the beatles. many bootleg ripoffs were issued in ensuing years but the original is worth a mint. literally, a mint. veejay was a little company with some success with the four seasons when they bid to represent the beatles in the USA. EMI eventually gave the contract to capitol records but meanwhile veejay released the beatles first record in the usa, and many of the songs either were not issued in the usa again or ended up reissued on capitol records compilations..."beatles" records in the usa were typically fictions made up by capitol records which included unauthorized overdubs, added reverb and effects, very poor master tapes and other atrocities. they never were much like "real" beatle records released in the UK up until oh post-revolver or so.

anyway back to veejay, they got screwed and couldnt keep the contract and basically got sued into not issuing any more beatles stuff but meanwhile had reissued some really sketchy beatles material as "meeting" frank ilfield and other non-entities. pretty strange story. but the upshot is the original issue of their original beatles record (they werent famous until they hit with capitol in the usa, and the veejay effort largely molded on the shelf, despite it being a much more realistic representation of the beatles sound than the capitol "meet the beatles") never sold well and is consequently very rare these days.

edit: i mixed up some of the details above and forgot to mention the REAL rare version is the first pressing, stereo, with only a couple thousand copies pressed ever. remember we are talking about records that routinely sold over a million copies just in the USA, so there are really very few truly "rare" beatle records. anyway full story here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introducing..._The_Beatles

Edited March 12, 2010 by jbwelda

[Harry P.]

Bill, you're correct on the Beatles "butcher cover" story... there are, as you say, 3 different versions in existence. I think the original butcher cover album was only on sale for a day or so in the US before it was pulled from the shelves and the "steamer trunk" cover pasted on top of it. So a real, original first release butcher cover in good shape is worth a nice amount, second and third state versions much less, and varies with condition.

Now how much can I get for my Alice Cooper panties? One size fits all. Any offers???

[Jairus]

I guess I am clueless according to Bill.

You are correct regarding the terminology. Manufacturer vs producer but what I was refering to was a story told about this very cover on the weekly radio show "The Beatle Years". That story I have heard more than once and if you think Capitol only has ONE pressing plant then fine. I have some lake front property to sell you...

Edited March 12, 2010 by Jairus

[jbwelda]

not anymore, jairus!

but one thing: i doubt there was a tower records in salem in 1963/64...tower records started in sacramento and didnt expand elsewhere until the late 60s at the earliest. i know because i started my record buying career at the 2nd to original tower records (only because the *original* tower "records" was in the Tower Drugs store where russ solomon's father let him start it, across the street (16th and Broadway) from its eventual "original" location.

like i said i doubt there was a tower outside of sacramento until the late 60s and probably more like early 70s.

Edited March 12, 2010 by jbwelda

[jbwelda]

good, i like lake front property.

and i like real reggae music too.

[jbwelda]

yes capitol records has numerous plants they used for pressing records, but they all did so under direct supervision of the corporate office and did things the same way. i didnt really mean one physical plant, thanks for the correx.

ps: if its the "beatles story" (edit: oops sorry, "the beatle years") radio program i am thinking of, look at the list of contributors. you might find the name "william just" in there.

Edited March 12, 2010 by jbwelda

[Corvette.Jeff]

I have only one thing to say to Mark ,

I have that album buried somewhere in my vinyl collection, what a great album!

[ScrappyJ]

and i like real reggae music too.

When I'm outside in my work room, I listen to the radio or my library of music on my Ipod. Old School Reggae for me too:

Steel Pulse (the early stuff: Tribute to the Martyrs, Handsworth), All of Bob's stuff, Third World (the early stuff), Jacob "Killer" Miller (and the Inner Circle), Black Uhuru, Culture, Burning Spear, Dillinger, et al.

Jazz:

Boney James, Euge Groove, Earl Klugh, Najee, Paul Taylor, Fourplay (no, not the action, but the group), Joe Sample, Hiroshima, Norman Brown, Mindi Abair (man she is hot), Spyro Gyra, The Rippingtons, et al.

Then there's old school R&B and Soul (Isley Brothers, Ojays, Frankie Beverly and Maze, Marvin Gay, Stevie Wonder and Earth, Wind & Fire: EWF has some pretty interesting album covers too).

And on Sunday mornings, Gospel.

Edited March 13, 2010 by ScrappyJ

[Harry P.]

The Ohio Players???

Aren't they the ones that had the... ah... "risque" album covers? Or am I thinking about someone else?