Hey Nick, I worked an hour on this and I don't want to waste it.

[LUKE'57]

Hope this gets to stay on long enough for you and everyone else to read, I'd hate to waste the time it took to write and load the pics the first time, not counting how long it took to find them again (on dial up). It addresses the generation gap, the skill gap. the experience gap, the ..........well, almost everything but the Cumberland Gap. Sorry, but as an old Blue Grass picker I couldn't resist the reference. Here's what I'd like to say to everyone and hope to offend no one.

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I think that all you need to do to get along with Nick is to just let him be Nick, if you can handle that. The first time we had any dealings on here, I had to listen to a 15 year old kid from Canada tell me,a 60 year old guy from the Carolinas who knows Junior Johnson (yep, THAT Junior Johnson) and has roots and friends in "the business" that he (Nick) knew more about stills and such than I did.

Well, after I let the dust settle from that encounter, I decided to try to find some common, or at least neutral, ground that we could connnect on. I tried complimenting some of his work that I liked instead of picking apart the things that just weren't "correct" and we went from a shakey truce to even cooperating on his Rockford project and I did a backdrop for him that he complimented me on.

The main difference between Nick and a lot of the rest of us is that we didn't have to make all our learning mistakes in front of thousands of people on the internet. But just to put it in perspective, here's a little chronicling of my long strange trip to becoming a "real modeler"...............

Here's my very first dirt car, complete with painted on numbers that included the extra "detail" of paint creep under the masking tape on the spray painted numbers built when I was around 15................

to be compared to this "many hundereds of builds later" dirt car with numbers painted on with a brush just like the big boys do it.....

Here's one of my first attempts at a realistic racing "scene", shot in my son's sand box, complete with masking tape guard rails on magic marker colored drinking straws for the posts...........

compared with a current one on a little better setting..............

I think you get the idea.

As I said at the start of this ramble, I am sixty with over fifty years of model building, racing and playing music, but I can still remember what it was like to be a teen and just starting out and having to listen to all those old fogeys that thought they knew more than me, a lot of times they did. The most important lesson is NOT learning that they sometimes do and they sometimes don't, but learning to tell the difference. Nick, that will only come with time, experience and honesty on your part, admitting when they really do know what they're talking about.

[weasel]

KUDOS Jerry...if we had rep points i'd give ya some!!

my 1st car was brush painted, EVERYTHING, chrome trim, everything!! lol

but, I was PROUD of that car!!

[Greg Cullinan]

Jerry,nice builds incuding ole #11 .

I can appreciate this thread.

[Ben]

I agree! I laugh when I think back to the very first truck kit I built! The AMT Kenworth 925 (Watkins). I built it straight out of the box with no paint at all. When it was finished I started coloring stripes on it with a pastel chalk! LOL

Needles to say, my stripes didn't last very long!

[LUKE'57]

Thanks ya'll. It seems to me that a post should have at least

two of these attributes-

1-Contain a model pic

2-Contain a helpful tip

3-Be encouraging

4-Have useful info

5-Compliment my building skills.....err...ahh...

....whoops. How how did that one get in there?

Seriously though, it is a hobby and it should be fun even if we strive for accuracy sometimes to the point of distraction.

Now build something so I can see it.

Edited May 20, 2010 by LUKE'57

[jbwelda]

hey nick, your builds look great. build what you want how you want. eventually you might find you want to spend a bunch of time superdetailing everything, until then be proud of what you do and most people here will respect that. i hated to see that thread on your bird go like it did...most of the advice was good but boy it embarrassed me to read a couple of those posts. just ignore them and keep building.

[cazxr2]

hey nick, your builds look great. build what you want how you want. eventually you might find you want to spend a bunch of time superdetailing everything, until then be proud of what you do and most people here will respect that. i hated to see that thread on your bird go like it did...most of the advice was good but boy it embarrassed me to read a couple of those posts. just ignore them and keep building.

Well said mate. Build what makes u happy

[Ramcharger]

Let me just add a comment here as I sit in a room full of 14 year olds while they start on their homework. The one thing that has been forgotten in this whole mess, Nick if 15. Technically a child, and so he behaves like a child. He is learning to model and he is learning social skills at the same time. The adults should be teaching him the skills he needs by example. There may be a need to correct behavior, but maybe a public setting is not the place. One of the things you learn very early in my profession is to pick your public battles wisely, otherwise the child wins by getting you into an argument and making you look foolish. It is part of their development. As adults we need to let some comments slide when they come from the mouths of children. BTW, Nick, I'm sorry if you're offended by this post and me calling you a child, but as I tell my kids here, until you can vote, join the army, have a real job, and can legally drink you are still a child. Sorry, dude!

[Corvette.Jeff]

i couldnt agree more with luke,when i was just starting out in the whole "car scene" i made alot of old geezer friends,and even more enemys. i was a stupid kid,i sit back every now and then and think about all the stupid stuff i did,AND SAID!!! To be completley and truthfully honest though,i wouldnt change thing. it all made me into the yound adult i am now,i learned quick to not be so quick on the gun to try and "cuss" someone out on the web. i also learned alot about people.

a few wise words of advice for ol' nick if hes reading this,i wish someone had told me all this!

youll learn in life,sometimes sooner than later, that people no matter who they are and no matter what you do,will always try to bring you down. you cant let them,i hate to say it,but you just cant be a wuss,but you cant be a complete tool either,just when someone starts messin with ya,tell em this, im sorry that you find the neex to try and insult me,its not my problem your life is a stinky mess right now!

something to do when you get either stressed or ticked,if ya have a bike,go for a ride! even if its just in your front yard!! theres so many things to do to take your mind off everything,and its always good to have more than a few hobbys. heres a few of mine,guitar,drums,model cars!!! real cars,bicycles, drawing,photography,trying to drift my 'vette ,working outsids,gardening(great stress reliever!!) and theres alot more!

and if anybody picks on ya, tell em your Texan friend thats 6'6" 190 and has been boxi g since he was ten friend will beat em up

[beefheart22]

Please quit flogging the horse for it is now a pile of pulp and only dental records can identify it.

[Nick Winter]

Hope this gets to stay on long enough for you and everyone else to read, I'd hate to waste the time it took to write and load the pics the first time, not counting how long it took to find them again (on dial up). It addresses the generation gap, the skill gap. the experience gap, the ..........well, almost everything but the Cumberland Gap. Sorry, but as an old Blue Grass picker I couldn't resist the reference. Here's what I'd like to say to everyone and hope to offend no one.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I think that all you need to do to get along with Nick is to just let him be Nick, if you can handle that. The first time we had any dealings on here, I had to listen to a 15 year old kid from Canada tell me,a 60 year old guy from the Carolinas who knows Junior Johnson (yep, THAT Junior Johnson) and has roots and friends in "the business" that he (Nick) knew more about stills and such than I did.

Well, after I let the dust settle from that encounter, I decided to try to find some common, or at least neutral, ground that we could connnect on. I tried complimenting some of his work that I liked instead of picking apart the things that just weren't "correct" and we went from a shakey truce to even cooperating on his Rockford project and I did a backdrop for him that he complimented me on.

The main difference between Nick and a lot of the rest of us is that we didn't have to make all our learning mistakes in front of thousands of people on the internet. But just to put it in perspective, here's a little chronicling of my long strange trip to becoming a "real modeler"...............

Here's my very first dirt car, complete with painted on numbers that included the extra "detail" of paint creep under the masking tape on the spray painted numbers built when I was around 15................

to be compared to this "many hundereds of builds later" dirt car with numbers painted on with a brush just like the big boys do it.....

Here's one of my first attempts at a realistic racing "scene", shot in my son's sand box, complete with masking tape guard rails on magic marker colored drinking straws for the posts...........

compared with a current one on a little better setting..............

I think you get the idea.

As I said at the start of this ramble, I am sixty with over fifty years of model building, racing and playing music, but I can still remember what it was like to be a teen and just starting out and having to listen to all those old fogeys that thought they knew more than me, a lot of times they did. The most important lesson is NOT learning that they sometimes do and they sometimes don't, but learning to tell the difference. Nick, that will only come with time, experience and honesty on your part, admitting when they really do know what they're talking about.

Luke, can I say one thing, I never said you knew nothing about stills, I just didn't want any further idea's, I had what I wanted to build in my head.

[LUKE'57]

And here lies your whole problem, in all that I said, the still comment was the only thing that registered. You may be a one demensional superficial know it all after all. I give up, have a nice life, you're on your own.

Edited May 20, 2010 by LUKE'57

[crazyjim]

Enough already. Let's all go build something.

[Nick Notarangelo]

Um which Nick since my name is Nick also

[LUKE'57]

This is, without a doubt, the best sentence you've ever written. It sums it all up. The good, the bad, the ugly.

Well, you know what they say, "Even a blind hog can find an acorn if he roots long enough".

I guess with all the stuff I've written I was bound to get it right at some point.

[LUKE'57]

He doesn't have to find it, we'll lead him to it. It's the perfect way to get rid of the mash when the run is over. It is corn, that is if you don't mind your bacon on the hoof staggering a little.