Nostalgic Super Stock/Pro Stock Hemi questions.

[W-409]

Sorry, I'm asking engine colors again, but does anyone know, what is correct engine color for Super Stock Hemi back in the day? I have Jo-Han's '71 Sox & Martin Cuda which will be Nostalgic Super Stocker, and I'd like to hear about the colors of:

-Engine block

-Transmission

-Cylinder Heads

-Oil Pan (was it original type, or aluminuim etc.)

-Intake Manifold

-Water pump

And of course, if you know some other colors, which were "special", I'd like to hear them too.

Thanks.

Edited December 20, 2011 by W-409

[Mr. Moparman]

Super Stock Hemis were "Race Hemi Orange" They had deep sump oil pans that were aluminum but they were painted like everything else.

[W-409]

Thanks, Brandon. So then I can paint the block, as I had planned, and needs to look for that oil pan, what does the kit have and is it good or not. Thanks.

Information about those other parts would be very appreciated too.

[Mr. Moparman]

The oil pan can be found in the Revell '68 Dart 2'n'1. The heads and water pump are the same color as the block.

[Mr. Moparman]

are you building it as the Sox & Martin racecar or?

Jake King was a Ford guy and painted the engines he built for S&M Ford engine blue, at least for awhile.

the deep sump pans were steel, not aluminum and some racers fabricated thier own from the stock pan. if you are building a specific car it may be important to research that particular car to see what colors things were or what parts were used.

take the time to do the research

Couldn't of said it better my self.

[ChrisPflug]

Since these weren't factory built cars there is no "correct" color scheme other unless you're replicating a specific car

Big teams were building these cars originally from a "body in white" rather than stripping down and rebuilding a new car, all engine parts were "over the counter" and different combos of factory and aftermarket parts were used by different teams

The lower "stock" classes still would have been based on blueprinted street cars but by '71 a 'cuda with a Hemi would have been factored into being non competitive (hence the beginnings of Pro Stock)

[W-409]

Thanks, guys!!! Thanks for the help, I will paint that engine orange then, and oil pan, water pump and heads too. How About the intake manifold, that's the only part, I don't know yet?

And I'm not building exactly that Sox&Martin Car, just Vintage Super Stocker just like it could race on these days too, but still looking like Vintage SuperStocker.

[Mr. Moparman]

Intake is aluminum.

[6bblbird]

Thanks, guys!!! Thanks for the help, I will paint that engine orange then, and oil pan, water pump and heads too. How About the intake manifold, that's the only part, I don't know yet?

And I'm not building exactly that Sox&Martin Car, just Vintage Super Stocker just like it could race on these days too, but still looking like Vintage SuperStocker.

Hi Niko! It's your friendly, Stock/Super Stock guru!

You can paint that engine any color that you like. That is what engine builders do. There are no rules on drive line paint colors.

As far as building the Johan, Sox & Martin '71 'cuda as a Super Stocker ( vintage or otherwise) you will have to find a stock hood as fiberglass hoods with scoops are not legal in traditional NHRA classes and are not accepted in most current Nostalgia S/S groups. Depending on the engine that you decide to use you will also have to source a stock style carburetor or carburetors and an intake manifold. The individual runner manifold used in the Pro Stock kit would also not be legal.

You could, however, build it as a Nostalgia Pro Stocker avoid the hassles of digging up all of the parts to make it "correct".

WF

Edited December 18, 2011 by 6bblbird

[Craig Irwin]

Rules did not say anything about engine colors, so research and find what your engine builder used.

[W-409]

I feel like dumb now. I've been looking for the rules for Stock Eliminator and Super Stock categories. But I didn't realize, that Jo-Han kit has Tunnel Ram Intake and Dominator (?) carburetors and that hood scoop! I've been building the F/Stock Nova with NHRA rules, but I still didn't figure out, that those are of course illegal. Thanks for the replies.

Hi Niko! It's your friendly, Stock/Super Stock guru!

Hello! Great to see you again, and great information, thanks!

I think, I'll be doing Vintage Pro Stocker, because I love that TunnelRam intake on it, and hood scoop is cool too. I will buy new kit some day and turn it to Super Stocker. Thanks again for the advice.

And BTW, Did you get my answer for the conversation at Scale Auto forum?

[6bblbird]

Other than the body (minus the hood) and possibly the chassis pan, there is not much in the Johan kit that lends itself to a Super Stock build. You would be better off using just about any other 'cuda or Challenger kit for a more correct build.

Here is a '70s era Super Stocker that I built using a Revell die cast as a base:

WF

[W-409]

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I'll do like that, and when this is going to be Pro Stock, some day I will have Super Stock and Pro Stock Cudas next to each other.

Your Challenger looks very good, can't believe that it's Die cast originally.

[W-409]

I just realized, that needs to take few resin copies from those valve covers. I haven't seen them in any other kits, but this has them. If I cast one pair of them, I can use those as masters for next set, and then I'll be able to glue original ones already on their place.

I Might cast that oil pan too, but not sure about that yet.

[Mr. Moparman]

I'd be more than happy to cast 'em

[W-409]

It would be great to have these available in Resin. When I cast them, quality is not so great, they need some bondo and sanding before paint, but I'm just learning. Only bad thing is, that if you start casting these, shipping costs too much, maybe more than that product does....

[W-409]

Forgot to ask about the ignition wiring of this engine. Since I don't know, how to install spark plug wires for this, because there are 16 wires, not 8 as usually... If anyone has picture or any other information, please let me know and post them here...

[caine440]

There are a ton of great reference photos of the Sox & Martin cars on the web. Google the images and look for photos of the original cars not the restored ones.

Feel free to look though my photobucket and you might find what you are looking for.

http://s960.photobucket.com/albums/ae87/Caine440/

Good Luck!

[W-409]

Thanks Roger for that link to your Photobucket! Now I know, how to install those ignition wires, thanks. I'm not sure about the ignition wire colors yet-maybe I'll use red... Didn't find many pictures from the web, but your Pro Stock album helped a lot:

[6bblbird]

You don't have to use the twin plug set-up. Even Sox & Martin didn't always use it. Aside from being a pain in the a$$ to wire, It doesn't always look so good. In addition, you may spend a lot of time trying to do good job only to find that the hood does not close when you are done! Ask me how I know!

WF

[caine440]

Soo True!

Got to watch that hood clearance.

But when done all that work sure looks good.

Edited December 21, 2011 by caine440

[W-409]

Oh, thanks for that information, needs to be careful and watch for the hood clearance. I just like that twin plug set up system, makes this engine look bit different, compared to some new Hemi engines.

[W-409]

Yeah, thanks for the advice guys! I installed those ignition wires. Not my best ones, but I test fitted and hood is closing and I can live with them. Lets see how that engine looks when I get other parts installed. There are coming some more details later.