whale392 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Can I have a Ford FOX-Chassis only section too, then? Since there were/are still so popular in the real world and people build them in scale? Wait, I do have that. It's called a CBP with no end date. Is that just not enough for your ego, Doc? Is a never-ending CBP dedicated to weathered vehicles just too insignificant for your 'fame'? Would it not be able to contain all the 'energy' of this movement? Guess not, from your logic.
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 Thanks, Chris. I appreciate the support. I think "rusting" is an integral part of the hobby now for model car builders. Military model builders have been on to it since the beginning because they've been trying to create what they see out in the real world, whereas we, as model car builders, all we tend to see and experience is the brand new and shiny vehicle, which is fine, but why not, WHY NOT? also include some flavor a variety to our hobby. When I look at other builders around the world, even when they build cars, they often times try to replicate the gift mother nature has given us all. RUST!
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 9:58 PM, Wheelman said: LOL, that just cracked me up. Rodney D is one my all time favorite comedians along with George Carlin. It doesn't surprise me he'd endorse this product. HA!
Roadkill2525 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Rust spreads like cancer. Cranky Forum Cancer? It's spreading.
Rob Hall Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Sounds like Cranky needs to start his own forums (there are many, many modeling forums on the internet) that can be focused on his weird niche interest area.
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) On 2/1/2012 at 10:06 PM, DoubleD said: i have to disagree with you here on this one. when you say "we" you are trying to group all model car builders as only having and interest in building brand new and shiny and that's not the case at all. i think you are a little blinded by your passion for the subject here Dave, it is not that I am blinded by my passion, it's just that it's been my experience and perspective that "shiny" has always gotten lots of attention. And you know there's nothing wrong with that but personally I'd like to see more weathered vehicles on the tables. On 2/1/2012 at 10:10 PM, Rob Hall said: Sounds like Cranky needs to start his own forums (there are many, many modeling forums on the internet) that can be focused on his weird niche interest area. Goodness, no, Rob, the last thing I would want is to start my own forum. But I'd have to disagree with you that weathering and or rusting a vehicle is "niche". Edited February 1, 2012 by Dr. Cranky
jerseyjunker1 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 i have been reading all of the replys to cranky's topic and i guess you may have guessed i would like to see something like this happen. on the other hand i think to some it would be like showing dirty diaper pictures on a new baby forum.lol
Rob Hall Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 10:16 PM, Dr. Cranky said: Goodness, no, Rob, the last thing I would want is to start my own forum. But I'd have to disagree with you that weathering and or rusting a vehicle is "niche". Weathering and rusting is one thing, niche is all the zombie and post-apolyptic wierdness....
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 And Rob, I'd have to disagree with you, weathering and rusting a vehicle is hardly "weird niche." Look around, there are lots of builders trying it, experimenting, even when they start out by simply wanting to add a slight detail here and there . . . a For Sale sign, some dusty wheels, a crooked plate, etc . . .
Guest Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 9:48 PM, Dr. Cranky said: What does Castro and Jim Jones have anything to do with my trying to get a conversation going about making the forum more inclusive of other building interests? Well it isn't like other building interests have been excluded. Seems to me,the forum AND the magazine both are very accepting of other building interests. I understand that you have a passion for it,but not everyone shares that passion. It's kinda like saying "I wish Revell or Round2 would produce a (fill in the blank with an obscure car here) because it was my first car when I was 16 years old back in '72". If you really think you have a big enough following,maybe you should start a small forum of your own and see how it goes?
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 10:19 PM, Rob Hall said: Weathering and rusting is one thing, niche is all the zombie and post-apolyptic wierdness.... Yeah, I'll won't disagree with you there, that's a matter of personal taste and preference, and what I always tell people is you don't have to build stuff you don't want to build, but it's fun to try new things. I mean, personally I don't like DONKS, but I've tried my hand at a couple just to change it up a bit, re-energize old habits.
Rob Hall Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 10:20 PM, Dr. Cranky said: And Rob, I'd have to disagree with you, weathering and rusting a vehicle is hardly "weird niche." Look around, there are lots of builders trying it, experimenting, even when they start out by simply wanting to add a slight detail here and there . . . a For Sale sign, some dusty wheels, a crooked plate, etc . . . You didn't read my reply, did you?
whale392 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Anybody notice the similarity between Andy and Cranky? Both won't take NO for an answer even when the reasoning for the answer is put out there and rationally explained. While I, like Dave, will lightly weather a vehicle for 'daily' use and sometimes build a beater, I do not think its' own section is needed. Edited February 1, 2012 by whale392
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 10:21 PM, plowboy said: Well it isn't like other building interests have been excluded. Seems to me,the forum AND the magazine both are very accepting of other building interests. I understand that you have a passion for it,but not everyone shares that passion. It's kinda like saying "I wish Revell or Round2 would produce a (fill in the blank with an obscure car here) because it was my first car when I was 16 years old back in '72". If you really think you have a big enough following,maybe you should start a small forum of your own and see how it goes? Roger, again, I don't have an interest in starting a stand alone weathering or rusting site. I love to have choices as a builder, that's all. And I like it here just fine, but I think getting builders, in particular young ones getting started, to realize that weathering a vehicle is the same kind of learning process as building a shiny one. You can start out and learn all the basics with a little less stress and frustration, and graduate to building show quality vehicles. Every body takes on a different road for building models, so why not weathered vehicles? I think it's a great way to start and go from there.Rob, yes, I did read it all.
sjordan2 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) On 2/1/2012 at 9:20 PM, Harry P. said: Hey Skip... if you like SA so much why don't you marry it??? (just kidding, of course!) According to the Supreme Court, corporations are now people. I don't have to marry them, but at least I can date them. Edited February 1, 2012 by sjordan2
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) On 2/1/2012 at 10:26 PM, DoubleD said: Virgil, i have to agree with Rob here on this one too. the "zombie and post apocalyptic" stuff is very niche interest. you are trying to combine weathering, sci-fi and fantasy with cars and trucks. sometimes that works, most times i don't think it does, at least where it comes off in a way that people get it. nothing wrong with being passionate about those subjects and interests but when you are making an effort to make people like it, i think you are crossing a line. it comes across to me just the same as someone knocking at your door and trying to push thier religion and belief's on you when you didn't ask for it. Dave, perhaps I don't get it. You mean to tell me that weathering, Sci-fi, and other styles that can influence a model car builder have no place on a model car forum? Granted, I do push hard on the LONG LIVE RUST stuff, but that's just me, a matter of taste . . . but I hope it has a place here, no? Edited February 2, 2012 by Dr. Cranky
Harry P. Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Let's face it... if we had a forum where everyone had their own section for what they liked to build, we'd have a home page 5 pages long. It just won't work. Like I said before, my intent is to break the site into logical pieces. Fewer separate "main" sections and fewer sub-sections, but still enough separate areas to make it easy to figure out where to post what, and make it as easy as possible within reason to find the stuff that you are interested in. My guess is that most members here are interested in building models that are not weathered. So my opinion would be to put the rusty and crusty stuff into the "Other Models" category, as it's own sub-section. OTHER MODELS: Diecasts Large Scale Dioramas Rusty and Crusty All the Rest What I don't think makes any sense is you guys arguing back and forth about whose modeling area of interest is more legitimate than the other guy's. We all have our own personal area of modeling that we like best. There's no reason to try and knock another guy's area of interest just because it's not your area of interest. That is pretty lame, IMO. Whatever type of model you like to build is just as legitimate as the type of model anyone else likes to build. And all I'm trying to accomplish is to break the forum into sections that make the most sense for the most members, not trying to promote one type of model over another. And Virgil, I'm sure, is also not trying to "convert" any of you to his way of building... he just suggested a new section for the rusty stuff, which is a completely legitimate suggestion. No need for some of you to start up with the personal attacks. How about instead of railing at Cranky and tryimg to make a point of how much you don't care for his building style, you try to make a positive contribution to the thread? Give us your ideas on how to make the site better. Sniping at another member because you don't like him or his building style is fine if you're a third grader... not so appropriate for grown men. On 2/1/2012 at 10:30 PM, sjordan2 said: According to the Supreme Court, corporations are now people. I don't have to marry them, but at least I can date them.
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 Harry, I can live with the RUSTY AND CRUSTY under OTHER MODELS, that would be more than fine! I think it will show, quickly over time, that there's an interest and an audience for this style of building.
Rob Hall Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 The existing 'Other Models' section seems like a good place for zombie/sci-fi etc stuff. One thing I would like to see added is a general 'Racing Models' section--there is a 'Drag Racing Models' and a 'NASCARS' section, but no general racing section...would be nice for us F1/Indy/road racing/etc fans...
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 Rob, I like the idea of general racing section, which hopefully could and would include Salt Flats and other types of racing vehicles: muddin' trucks, demolition derby, dirt track, etc . . . I like that.
sjordan2 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 While there may be other subjects that make sense, I think there would be interest in a specific Military topic under "Other Models."
whale392 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Then how about the 'Good Doctor' take NO for an answer, like an adult? I personally have nothing against him or rust, just his apparent post-whoring and total oblivion to anything that is not in his point-of-interest. He can (when he is so inclined0 build some beautiful things, but somehow they always end up being taken too far. He was a far better builder before the whole 'DR' and 'SCRAPple' ordeal.
Roadkill2525 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 The Other Models section should be just that, no subdivisions needed
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