Mopar Guys, And Keith Marks Users, Inside Please....

[LVZ2881]

1. how do you order from keith, fotki??? I dont have an ebay account.

thinking of building a bit more mainstream 440 powered 'cuda, with the 440 billboards from keith.

2. on the '71 cuda, with both the 440, and 440+6, what hoods were available with each engine??

3. also, the elastometric, body colored rubber bumpers, were they a regular option, rare, etc?? and where they front, rear or both???? and did the grille color change from body color??, i seem to remember reading that it went to argent with the body color bumpers???

4. and finally, were the magnum 500 style "road wheels" available, or just the rallyes??

thanks in advance guys!!!!

just really want to build a fish a bit less "normal"...

[fury3]

I will try to answer some of your questions. My information comes from original factory publications that I obtained while employed by Chrysler Corp. as a Technical Service Training Instructor, and from my actual experiences gained during my career. I don't used modern publications, as too many errors seem to be written in them.

1. In the past, I have e-mailed Keith Marks at the address listed in his website. He has given me current pricing in promptly returned e-mails, and I simply mail him a personal check for my needs. He is great to deal with, and my orders are always professionally wrapped, and arrived within two to three weeks.

2. In 1971, the Barracuda 'cuda (okay, "Harrypri"?) model was NOT available with the "Super Commando 440" single 4-bbl. engine. The only 440 cu. in . engine available was the "440+6" 440 cu. in. 3 2-bbl. engine. It used an unsilenced air cleaner with the standard 'cuda exclusive "Sport" hood with the two non-functional hood scoops. The "Air Grabber Shaker Hood" option was optional at extra cost on this engine, and was standard on the 426 Street Hemi. (note: The "Super Commando 440" single 4-bbl. engine WAS available on the 1970 'cuda, but was deleted for the 1971 model year according to these publications)

3. The "Elastomeric Bumpers" were available as a front bumper only, in option group one. The second option group included both the front AND rear bumper. The elastromeric rear bumper was not available seperately. They were coded as a regular production option, but were obviously color coded. They were restricted to specific color availability. The same goes for the color keyed grille, which was standard and available on the 'cuda models only. The color keyed grille was available in nine colors only. (The vehicles without the color keyed grilles received the standard grille, as the on the base Barracuda and Gran Coupe models.) I do not have my 1971 order guide available at my home at present to give you the actual color restrictions of the grilles OR the bumper groups. So sorry! (Maybe some other more knowledgable member can assist here with the factory documented information?)

4. The "Road Wheel" option was available in 14" size only (magnum 500's). The "Rallye Wheel" option was available in 14" and 15" sizes. The 14" painted steel wheel/hub cap/tire combo was standard with the 440+6 engine option, with the 15" combo being optional. (15" wheels/tires were standard on the 426 Street Hemi option)

I will try to get you the paint information eventually, if no one else beats me to it. All of this information has been obtained from the "1971 Plymouth Barracuda" sales brochure, dated 9/1970, and the "1971 Plymouth Salesmans Data Book", dated 9/1970. Hope this helps a bit! Fury3

Edited October 27, 2007 by fury3

[LVZ2881]

thanks for the great info fury3!!!!!!!

let me run this combo idea past you:

'71 cuda, 440+6, hemi orange, white billboards, white interior( with black carpet, dash and console), sport hood, rear "go wing", hemi orange steel wheels, body color grille, and frt and rear elastomeric bumpers with optional driving lamps, and pistol grip 4 speed is a combo that could have been ordered in 1971, correct???

i am looking for the white billboards and interior just do something different from black.

[fury3]

"LVZ2881", that combination could have been ordered, but the white exterior quarter stripes were labeled as "not recommended" with the color you mention ("Hemi Orange Metallic" was the Dodge Division's name...Plymouth Division called it "Tor-Red Metallic", both using code V2). The white stripe could be ordered but would be unusual...black was the recommended choice by the factory according to the "71 Color and Trim Book". My feelings are...build whatever makes YOU happy. It was fairly easy to get Chrysler to build "off the wall" orders compared to Ford and especially the "General". Many have labeled me as a "nip-picker" on details, but I'm not really. This doesn't bother me, but I felt I'd better point it out before someone "calls me out" about it..... (Can you tell I used to be at the "other" forum? LOL!)....The elastomeric bumpers had a slightly different shape/design if compared to the standard plated bumpers. Okay, I said it. If it were me, I'd strip the kit bumpers and paint them...and be happy with it. FYI...Since you are trying to be different, for this year only, Plymouth offered a striking orange and black interior trim combo as well, on the Barracuda! What wheel/tire combo have you selected? Be sure to post progress of your build...sounds as if it will be quite attractive! Fury3

Edited October 28, 2007 by fury3

[LVZ2881]

there's a '69 z28 in hugger orange with white stripes and white houndstooth interior in a local classic wrecking yard, that got me thinking about this color combo, then i found this:

http://www.cudaworld.com/adDetail.php?cat_...&ad_id=1676

and that sealed it for me.

i am planning on just stripping the kit bumpers and painting them as you stated.

and the wheels will be the"cop cars" from the revell '70 roadrunner, not correct steelies, i know, but close enough for me.

i am still debating the go wing, since it needs to be black, and might detract from the orange/white theme....but then again, the tires and part of the interior are black, so who knows......

and i just wanted to do the elastomeric bumpers, just to be even more different.

[Marc @ MPC Motorsports]

  LVZ2881 said:

there's a '69 z28 in hugger orange with white stripes and white houndstooth interior in a local classic wrecking yard, that got me thinking about this color combo, then i found this:

http://www.cudaworld.com/adDetail.php?cat_...&ad_id=1676

and that sealed it for me.

i am planning on just stripping the kit bumpers and painting them as you stated.

and the wheels will be the"cop cars" from the revell '70 roadrunner, not correct steelies, i know, but close enough for me.

i am still debating the go wing, since it needs to be black, and might detract from the orange/white theme....but then again, the tires and part of the interior are black, so who knows......

and i just wanted to do the elastomeric bumpers, just to be even more different.

You could try the go wing in white and if you don't like it, paint it black.

[fury3]

You may be aware of this, but thought I'd mention it anyway. (I tried to e-mail you but the message I get back on the forum states that I am not allowed to use the "Messenger" here. ?) When you paint the rear bumper of the kit, the vertical bumper guards that attach to the rear body valance panel remain plated...they are not covered with the elastomeric material. Since they are molded as part of the rear bumper in both of the Revell 71 'cuda kits, I'd BMF them or "Alclad II" them. I've seen other modelers add these body colored bumpers to their factory stock builds, and they usually incorrectly paint the guards. See...I AM "nip-picking" again! Fury3

[LVZ2881]

  fury3 said:

You may be aware of this, but thought I'd mention it anyway. (I tried to e-mail you but the message I get back on the forum states that I am not allowed to use the "Messenger" here. ?) When you paint the rear bumper of the kit, the vertical bumper guards that attach to the rear body valance panel remain plated...they are not covered with the elastomeric material. Since they are molded as part of the rear bumper in both of the Revell 71 'cuda kits, I'd BMF them or "Alclad II" them. I've seen other modelers add these body colored bumpers to their factory stock builds, and they usually incorrectly paint the guards. See...I AM "nip-picking" again! Fury3

i had heard that, but wasnt sure, and had forgotten about it, thanks for the heads up!!!

fury3, your assistance has been absolutely huge!!

thank you...

[mikelo]

I'll second that! Fury's knowledge on Mopars is invaluable and plentiful. I am very glad to see him posting again, and as he said, make sure to post pics of your progress.