baddest Ford motor.....

[afx]

thank you google.... and thank you JC for your input. I really like the Ford Cosworth DFV, but I have 2 questions. it seems like it is a rear engine car with a transaxle, would there be a problem hooking up a bell housing and a 4 speed to it? and to me, it seems like this would have a "road race" feel to it more than a "muscle" feel? do you understand where I am going? it may be better off in a G-machine or pro touring car rather than a stop light to stop light car....

how do you think that Ford Cosworth DFV would look in a pro touring 66 fairlane? I am in the process of putting the motor from a Shelby series 1 in that?

Al, I do get what you are going for and I don't think the DFV would be viable in a front engine mount installation. Just wanted you to see what the engine looks like. Might I suggest the 429 from Bob Gliddens Pro Stock Thunderbird? It's hard to get nastier than that.

Edited June 27, 2014 by afx

[afx]

That's it, the DFV. Yum.

And yeah, the in-line 4 cossies were cool engines. Maybe too small, but cool nevertheless.

At least one Sierra exist, Escorts a few.

Unfortunately Tamiya's Sierra kit doesn't include a full engine - just the bottom half.

Edited June 27, 2014 by afx

[Ace-Garageguy]

Only little problem using a Cosworth V8 is that in reality they're high-winding, not-massively-torquey little (2.5 to 3.5 liters, approx.) motors designed for 1500 pound road-racing cars, and probably wouldn't be real happy trying to accelerate a much heavier car like the Thunderbolt. The stock V8 Fairlane, on which the T-bolt was based, weighed about 3000 pounds. The T-bolt was reputed to be about 700 pounds lighter, but that's still 2300lbs.

To get all its power from such small displacement, the Cosworth motors have to rev very high, which means wild cams, fast idle, and not friendly street manners at all. Pretty much impossible to use with an automatic gearbox, too.

BUT, if you were to build an independently-sprung, VERY lightweight T-bolt way-beyond-pro-touring update (which COULD be done in the real-world using a tube-frame and carbon body-part copies), and a six-speed gearbox, you could conceivably come up with a real mind-blower.

[tubbs]

Only little problem using a Cosworth V8 is that in reality they're high-winding, not-massively-torquey little (2.5 to 3.5 liters, approx.) motors designed for 1500 pound road-racing cars, and probably wouldn't be real happy trying to accelerate a much heavier car like the Thunderbolt. The stock V8 Fairlane, on which the T-bolt was based, weighed about 3000 pounds. The T-bolt was reputed to be about 700 pounds lighter, but that's still 2300lbs.

To get all its power from such small displacement, the Cosworth motors have to rev very high, which means wild cams, fast idle, and not friendly street manners at all. Pretty much impossible to use with an automatic gearbox, too.

BUT, if you were to build an independently-sprung, VERY lightweight T-bolt way-beyond-pro-touring update (which COULD be done in the real-world using a tube-frame and carbon body-part copies), and a six-speed gearbox, you could conceivably come up with a real mind-blower.

you know I really hate all of you......... joking, but I do. .... not really.....

see, I asked a very simple question, in return, I get too many good responses and now instead of one build with a simple problem, I have multiple build ideas in my head an am going to need more thunderbolts!!! not having a ton of modeling time and way too many projects I think I have to stick to my original idea and make a stump pulling street machine. so Bill, even though your idea is a great one, I will file it for later and continue on my quest.............

although.....................

how would that motor look in an EXP??

[fitforbattle]

Only little problem using a Cosworth V8 is that in reality they're high-winding, not-massively-torquey little (2.5 to 3.5 liters, approx.) motors designed for 1500 pound road-racing cars, and probably wouldn't be real happy trying to accelerate a much heavier car like the Thunderbolt. The stock V8 Fairlane, on which the T-bolt was based, weighed about 3000 pounds. The T-bolt was reputed to be about 700 pounds lighter, but that's still 2300lbs.

To get all its power from such small displacement, the Cosworth motors have to rev very high, which means wild cams, fast idle, and not friendly street manners at all. Pretty much impossible to use with an automatic gearbox, too...

Yes...

... BUT, if you were to build an independently-sprung, VERY lightweight T-bolt way-beyond-pro-touring update (which COULD be done in the real-world using a tube-frame and carbon body-part copies), and a six-speed gearbox, you could conceivably come up with a real mind-blower.

... And YES!!!! DO IT!

[tubbs]

well guys, looks like i stirred up some rousing conversation. nice to see the participation and the great ideas, i really learned some stuff about the Ford motors. Scale Dale was kind enough to offer up a great motor for my project, so the search is over.

thanks everyone,

Tubbs

[fitforbattle]

Which one did you get?

[tubbs]

well Robin, technically, it is "in transit". I am putting in the 2010 Mustang GT with the 4.6 liter supercharged engine. scale Dale was kind enough to pass it on to me along with the interior and chassis from the mustang kit also. so now I have to decide just how much of the suspension and interior stuff I am going to use in this build. most likely the whole front suspension (rear will be mini tubbed so I will keep the original rear, just massage it a little), front and rear seats, steering wheel and some misc. stuff that I can fit it. thanks for asking and again thanks for all your guys help. I will post up the build when it gets started.

Edited July 10, 2014 by tubbs

[tubbs]

ok, now that THAT is over, sitting here thinking about the build and I have 2 more questions..... I will be using the stock manifolds and exhaust from the 2010 mustang under the t-bold, should or can I get rid of the catalytic converters? and what about the motor that was in the super stallion with that funky induction system (Roots- supercharged, intercooled, 5.4L DOHC engine)? I forgot about this motor and I have one in my parts box. NO, I am not changing motors, but I do have more t-bolts.

[freakshow12]

I used that in my 50 ford truck. Neat engine. What is this 2010 mustang gt engine you speak of. No factory blown 4.6 since 04 and it was a 4 valve. The gt engine was a 3 valve from 05-10. Sure it's not the Shelby 5.4 dohc you have? I know in 1:1 that the 13/14 5.8 dohc is a beast and it scares me when the traction control kicks on on the 3-4 power shift lol. Would move a t bolt quite nicely. I better go for a drive

[tubbs]

I used that in my 50 ford truck. Neat engine. What is this 2010 mustang gt engine you speak of. No factory blown 4.6 since 04 and it was a 4 valve. The gt engine was a 3 valve from 05-10. Sure it's not the Shelby 5.4 dohc you have? I know in 1:1 that the 13/14 5.8 dohc is a beast and it scares me when the traction control kicks on on the 3-4 power shift lol. Would move a t bolt quite nicely. I better go for a drive

i hope that's what i am getting, just for the information side of it. hate to be the guy who puts things together and have no information on it. in post #8 scaledale said....

"I have a 2010 Mustang GT with the 4.6 liter supercharged engine that donated it's body to my Mustang Pro Stock project boxed and ready to go."

is this not true? non-the-less, he sent me pictures and its a really good looking motor and should work well in the t-bolt. Fred, to be honest, there are so many versions of the mustang, i get cross-eyed trying to keep them straight. thanks for the little lesson on the motors, i could use more.. i would really like to know what the pecking order is on all these mustangs.

[tubbs]

well Fred, you are correct, the motor sent to me is not blown, but looks killer all the same!! what's really cool is the whole front half of the chassis of the 2010 mustang is almost the same dimension as the t-bolt !! so it seems there will be an easy swap there. have to do something with the inner fenders as I think the motor is a little wide for them. I will find out as I move along.

thanks for everyone's help on this. project # I-have-no-clue is up and running.

have a great day,

Tubbs