Just an offer

[1930fordpickup]

Thanks Gary. 

[Greg Myers]

Welcome to the board Gary. You really opened your self up with the photo offer.So here goes, anything on Red Greth and Lyle Fisher from Tucson AZ and their Speed Sport Specials, roadsters and AA/FD ?

[GaryR]

Yes, I have a folder of Ol' Noisy. If Fotki or Photobucket ever will upload anything again, I'll post , The original or the restored or the cloned?

[Greg Myers]

How about their AA/FD that ran against these guys from Phoenix AZ ?

[GaryR]

 

[Greg Myers]

Guess where the scoop came from ? 

[GaryR]

Nice! Actually, there are more than people think, check out The Greek!

 

[Greg Myers]

Whether It came from the Speed Sport Roadster or their AA/FD I'm not sure , as Al Eshenbaugh didn't say. They were Red Greath and Lyle Fishers arch rivals from Phoenix. Maybe the Greek fits in there somewhere, they all ran the local strips, Tucson Dragway on Houghton road and Bee Line here in Phoenix. For me, High School in Tucson ('61-'65) was a blast.   looks like they had more than one.  

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[GaryR]

Very cool roadsters! Red Greth must have made way more of those scoops than we thought, there were several cars running them. A distinctive design for sure!

 

[ProStreetOnTheStrip]

You wouldn't happen to have any early 70s funny car chassis, engine pics would you? (Hemi, btw)

[GaryR]

I guess I should check this more often!

As for fuel altereds, yes I've got some.

same with 70 FC;s.

Please be more specific if you can. Tell me exactly what you want to see. IE; plumbing, ignition, pedals, tinwork, whatever.

I'll see what I can find over the next few days.

 

[ProStreetOnTheStrip]

I need some pictures of blower fuel deliver, fuel tanks, and some oil systems, and maybe some suspension mounting (rear). If you can't tell I'm doing a hyper detailed F/C

[GaryR]

Sorry guys, reality has reared it's ugly head and I've been dealing with non model issues.
I Will post some pics per your requests soon.

I don't know how many Fiat pics I have, but I do have quite a few Winged Express pics, and I'll look for the FC details stuff.

Sorry !!

[10thumbs]

Hi Gary, hope you get those ugly beasts out of your way soon. 

I'm with Don R. on this.  Fuel and oil systems and vintage F/C and Altered rear end setups would be great!   As for the interiors, pedals and steering, like the way things are from a drivers view.  Anything would be great.  Details on these fabricated cars from the 70's and earlier are not easy to come by.

Thanks.

Michael

[GaryR]

Ok guys, here's a start.

First, COOL Bantam Michael! In a nutshell, both Fotki and Photobucket are ripping me off! I had free accounts, but now they "changed" the rules and want me to pay! I'm laid off and poverty stricken, so I need to copy about 7,000 pics from those sites to one of my computers!

BUT, I realized these magazine scans from the Feb '65 issue of Popular Hot Rodding better illustrate your altered questions ( I hope).

Solid mount rear ends are NOT directly welded to the chassis, there Are  flanges ( one on each side )  welded to the axle housings that bolt to steel brackets or plates that ARE welded to the chassis. These scans are of two altereds, the Cal Hydro Bantam and  the Sterling Engineering T.

Study the scans, I think you can see what I mean. I have also scanned the interior shots. As an aside, note the "steel cable" that runs under the engines. This was to prevent the engine from dropping if ir blew. Most "hot" 60's cars used these cables.

I also have several pics of the current Winged Express, but it's a little more complex than the 60's version.

Here goes! Hope this helps and makes sense!

 

[GaryR]

Jeez, my scans won't post!! The first one did. Anyway, here's some shots I took of the Winged Express.

The first one is not mine.

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[GaryR]

Page 2 Cal Hydro

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[GaryR]

Note solid mount rear axle at upper left.

[GaryR]

Again, note solid mount at top left

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[10thumbs]

Hi Gary, those are very interesting old pics!  Also the captions.  Concerning the plates mounted to the rear axle, the word "snappage" is interesting, I don't recall ever reading that word before.

Cool too, I've never seen the restraint cable for motor blocks either.  That will be a nice feature for upcoming builds should I choose to make one from the 60's.  I didn't realize the details about the fixed rear end either, thanks for showing this.

OK, spill the beans now.  What on earth does the wood do in the Willie Borsch car?   

Michael

[Daddyfink]

 

OK, spill the beans now.  What on earth does the wood do in the Willie Borsch car?   

Michael

Holds the Clutch Pedal while the car is towed or pushed around. 

 

[10thumbs]

Thanks Jesse.  I was thinking "Wild Willie" wanted at all times to live up to his name.  That was pretty wild looking and didn't really expect to see a piece of wood in a race car.

[GaryR]

Here's some generic fuel systems from late 60's cars. Not really any difference between funny cars and dragsters. The main changes into the 70's were: bigger fuel pumps, use of steel fuel lines and more of them. By more of them I mean injectors started in the early 60's with two lines, then four, then eight. About 1966 splitting the fuel by introducing intake manifold lines, one per cylinder with ( usually ) eight on the injector hat. More fuel, more power! This is called "over" and "under". There is no one setup, though all are very similar. 70's were pretty much the same. I included another solid mount rear end pic from a dragster that more clearly shows the mounting.

 

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[10thumbs]

YES!

Excellent pics!

The fuel lines are very clear with these pics.  Interesting too the absence of A/N fittings in lots of pics.  This suits me just fine, better scale possibilities.  I like the real look of the different metals too, this is something all modelers can work on.

I like the view of the crankcase ventilation, very important and often neglected.  I'm doing it on my current project.

Gary, many thanks for your efforts.

What's it looking like with rear end setups?  Altereds and F/C's late 60's to 70's?    Plus, I don't get it with the Fire Extinguisher Systems.  I see the bottles mounted, but have yet to figure out how they're employed.  Manual? Sensors?  Do they only protect the pilot, or are they for fighting motor fire as well?

Thanks again, super pics!

Michael

[GaryR]

Altereds use solid mount rears. I posted several pics of how these are mounted. They are bolted onto a bracket welded to the frame ( see pics). They vary according to what the builder wants or likes.

Fire bottles are deployed by the driver by pushing or pulling on a lever. Look at the Winged Express pics, the bottle is on the roll bar. the lever is the orange T handle. The spray is directed by a line and nozzle to the driver, the motor or both. Lots of FC's use two bottle mounted on the chassis, one for the motor, one for the driver. Look at the FC chassis pic above. The fire bottle is mounted right by the front tire on the outside of the chassis. MOST 70's cars mounted the bottle(s) on the chassis close to the driver.There is probably one on the other side as well, most modern cars use two.

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