gtx6970 Posted Tuesday at 10:36 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:36 PM is this the original issue of this kit ? No bar codes of any kind. Metal axles etc
Mark Posted yesterday at 12:08 AM Posted yesterday at 12:08 AM Yes. That one first appeared in 1971 (alongside the original Shirley Shahan '69 AMX). The reissues of both were in the early/mid Eighties.
Mark Posted yesterday at 09:19 AM Posted yesterday at 09:19 AM First issues are way better. One-piece hollow tires and slicks, wire axles, smaller corresponding holes in engine block halves, sharper detail, way less flashing on parts. 1
Carmak Posted yesterday at 12:48 PM Posted yesterday at 12:48 PM When was the first issue of the NASCAR version? Was the NASCAR version available concurrent with the SM kit in the 70's or 80's?
CapSat 6 Posted yesterday at 02:53 PM Posted yesterday at 02:53 PM 1 hour ago, Carmak said: When was the first issue of the NASCAR version? Was the NASCAR version available concurrent with the SM kit in the 70's or 80's? The first issue Superbird in the '70's had stock and NASCAR building options. It had a semi-"cartoon" box, with colorful illustrations. I think what's pictured above is the first issue of the SM car, which would probably also have been early '70s. The later (and much more common) '80's issues of both the NASCAR/ Petty and drag/ Sox cars seemed to be the same as the originals, except for different boxes, and thick plastic axles instead of thin metal wire axles. The '80's Sox kit seemed to be more or less a stock Superbird in the box, but instead of the stock wheels and "stock" Goodyear tires that the Petty kits got, the SM cars got Keystone mags and tires and Goodyear/ Firestone slicks (one design on each side). The same tires came in their Pro Stock kits. The 80's NASCAR kits were molded in a variety of colors (I have seen gray/blue, teal, green, red, white, and I think a dark blue and a sky blue), while the SM kits always seemed to come in white. The Petty NASCAR kits seemed to be much more widely available in the 80's, or at least, that's how it seemed to me where I grew up. They might have done alternating runs of these kits, perhaps one was available for a time, and then another took over.
gtx6970 Posted yesterday at 03:33 PM Author Posted yesterday at 03:33 PM (edited) 16 hours ago, Mark said: Yes. That one first appeared in 1971 (alongside the original Shirley Shahan '69 AMX). The reissues of both were in the early/mid Eighties. Thanks. I have a few of the Recent re-issue versions of both the SM car and the Petty car. Out of maybe 4 kits , only 1 is molded in white and thats a SM bird. My 2nd SM bird is molded in a blueish turquoise color My Petty Birds are molded in 1 green and 1 blue But would like to have the original issue SM version, Just because What about the decals compared to the more recent issue, were they the same and have the correct corresponding kit number on the back of said decals. In this case kit C108-200 ? I know the more recent issues share the same sheet with the SM 1971 Cuda and are marked with the Cudas kit number I like the Petty version because it can be built replica stock right out of the box. Edited 23 hours ago by gtx6970
Carmak Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, CapSat 6 said: The Petty NASCAR kits seemed to be much more widely available in the 80's, or at least, that's how it seemed to me where I grew up. They might have done alternating runs of these kits, perhaps one was available for a time, and then another took over. Thanks Bill! I also noticed the NASCAR kit was much more common than the SM kit in the 80's (I didn't see my first SM kit until I went to a major Chicago area swap meet in the mid 80's). Maybe they only ran it when they could get white styrene 1
Mark Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago Jo-Han only brought back the Sox & Martin version just to say they had something "new". After the USA Oldies series petered out (probably due to lack of usable tooling), Jo-Han reissued two items at a time for most of the Eighties. One year it was the Rebel Machine and (I think) '68 Chrysler 300, another year the AMX and maybe the '70 Eldorado, and so on. The '63 Plymouth was somewhere in there too, along with the Superbird. Some items got reissued as X-EL promos only. The '68 Cadillac was only issued as a convertible in kit form, but a hardtop promo did appear.
Tabbysdaddy Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Since we're talking about this kit, mine doesn't have the mag wheels in it. I assumed someone took that chrome tree and replaced it with the tree that has the stock wheels. Is that correct or is this just some random chrome tree thrown in?
gtx6970 Posted 14 hours ago Author Posted 14 hours ago 46 minutes ago, Tabbysdaddy said: Since we're talking about this kit, mine doesn't have the mag wheels in it. I assumed someone took that chrome tree and replaced it with the tree that has the stock wheels. Is that correct or is this just some random chrome tree thrown in? I now.have 3 of the SM birds. All 3 have Keystone Classic wheels And no stock wheels
Tabbysdaddy Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago Just now, gtx6970 said: I now.have 3 of the SM birds. All 3 have Keystone Classic wheels And no stock wheels Yes, I know it's supposed to have the mags. I was wondering if the chrome tree I have is the stock wheel tree or not correct at all for the kit.
gtx6970 Posted 14 hours ago Author Posted 14 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Tabbysdaddy said: Yes, I know it's supposed to have the mags. I was wondering if the chrome tree I have is the stock wheel tree or not correct at all for the kit. Not stock for sox.martin kit. Stock for Petty bird kit only
Mark Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago The wheels should be the only difference. The Sox & Martin version differs pretty much in wheels and tires only, as well as not including the stock air cleaner setup nor the NASCAR parts. The Keystone wheels are different from those in the Sox & Martin Barracuda kit. The Superbird wheels are the same for front and rear, while having different inner wheels. 1
Mark Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago Too, the tires and slicks in the original kit will be one-piece, hollow, and have Goodyear markings on both sides. They were later changed to Firestone Drag 500 on one side (still one-piece and hollow). Another, later revision made the front tires solid and the slicks two-piece. Some of those drag cars had radiator hoses molded in vinyl along with the (early) tires. 1
gtx6970 Posted 33 minutes ago Author Posted 33 minutes ago The one I just bought has the vinyl one piece tires. Also the decals are different than the reissue version
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now