rattle can man Posted July 12 Posted July 12 As said before, the bottom line is application and design. What do you want from the drivetrain package? I know engines have been built with both a supercharger and turbocharger (maybe even multiples). check back issues of Hot Rod magazine. For some reason I remember a nova with twin super chargers and twin turbos in an '80s issue. 1
stavanzer Posted July 13 Posted July 13 4 hours ago, rattle can man said: For some reason I remember a nova with twin super chargers and twin turbos in an '80s issue. I remember seeing that car on the cover of some Rod magazune back then. Don't Forget Ernie Hashim of the Bakersfield Smokers, who was the first to put a front mounted blower on a Chrysler Hemi. he helped Don Garlits to be competitive on the West Coast back in the day. I got to meet Ernie later in life. He was a soft spoken guy, but would talk about his cars. He had that first engine on display in his office. Wish I'd taken a photo of it.
Ace-Garageguy Posted July 13 Posted July 13 6 hours ago, rattle can man said: As said before, the bottom line is application and design. What do you want from the drivetrain package? I know engines have been built with both a supercharger and turbocharger (maybe even multiples). check back issues of Hot Rod magazine. For some reason I remember a nova with twin super chargers and twin turbos in an '80s issue. I remember this ridiculous thing... 2
sidcharles Posted July 13 Posted July 13 On 7/10/2025 at 6:41 PM, Ace-Garageguy said: Excellent, simple overview by Ryan. ^^^ like we like
johnyrotten Posted July 13 Posted July 13 2 hours ago, Ace-Garageguy said: I remember this ridiculous thing... "Loudest guy in the room". I bet that things limited to 8-10 pounds of boost. 2
johnyrotten Posted July 13 Posted July 13 (edited) I recall vw built a twin charged engine a while ago, supercharger and turbo working in conjunction. It was small displacement and not too great if I remember correctly. Not sure if they had them in the U.S. Edited July 13 by johnyrotten I'd like to buy a vowel,Pat
stitchdup Posted July 13 Posted July 13 Just now, johnyrotten said: I recall vw built a twin charged engine a while ago, supercharger and turbo working in conjunction. It was small displacement and not too great if I remember correctly. Not sure if they had them in th U.S. the tfsi engine. it was an economy engine and never really took off. we did get sportier version of it but the 1.8t and vr6 (inc r32 etc) are the kings when it comes to tuning but the audi rs3 5 pots are fast gaining ground. i know of 2 of them running 1200 bhp and still daily driven but aftermarket management is pretty impressive now. there were rumours of an rs audi getting tfsi but they just went for turbos, however mtm in germany experimented with both on some audi s4 (by far the best audi if you want to tune it, and the base car for the rs4) in the early naughties
johnyrotten Posted July 13 Posted July 13 15 minutes ago, stitchdup said: the tfsi engine. it was an economy engine and never really took off. we did get sportier version of it but the 1.8t and vr6 (inc r32 etc) are the kings when it comes to tuning but the audi rs3 5 pots are fast gaining ground. i know of 2 of them running 1200 bhp and still daily driven but aftermarket management is pretty impressive now. there were rumours of an rs audi getting tfsi but they just went for turbos, however mtm in germany experimented with both on some audi s4 (by far the best audi if you want to tune it, and the base car for the rs4) in the early naughties The 1.8t and vr6 I'm very familiar with, I've owned and built a few. My last vw was a 2.0t,tsi. Stock engine, mild tune(APR) 6 speed. Fun daily driver. I still have the built 1.8t from my 05 gti, full build big turbo ( gt3076), I couldn't sell that to just anyone, that car could get interesting real fast. It left with another 1.8t, frankenturbo setup.
stitchdup Posted July 13 Posted July 13 19 minutes ago, johnyrotten said: The 1.8t and vr6 I'm very familiar with, I've owned and built a few. My last vw was a 2.0t,tsi. Stock engine, mild tune(APR) 6 speed. Fun daily driver. I still have the built 1.8t from my 05 gti, full build big turbo ( gt3076), I couldn't sell that to just anyone, that car could get interesting real fast. It left with another 1.8t, frankenturbo setup. my mk3 started life as a mulberry vr6 highline which is a kinda sought after car now but mine also had no sunroof which meant its a motorsport shell. it was the no sunroof that made me want it and i got it for a complete steal. I paid more for one borbet A (renault fitment so no need for spacers) than the entire car, lol. the vr only stayed in it for about a month before me and my friends ripped it out for the abf16v. I know where the car is now and its just not the same car now. its been sat and most of the good bits are gone. still, the vr lives on in a mk2 3 door gl
johnyrotten Posted July 13 Posted July 13 43 minutes ago, stitchdup said: which is a kinda sought after car now but mine also had no sunroof which meant its a motorsport shell. Question for you. I had a mk4 jetta, no sunroof. Only one I've ever seen, not that that's important. It was an odd car,option wise. I wonder if it was a motorsports shell like you described. Car got totaled on me one month into owning it
stitchdup Posted July 13 Posted July 13 15 minutes ago, johnyrotten said: Question for you. I had a mk4 jetta, no sunroof. Only one I've ever seen, not that that's important. It was an odd car,option wise. I wonder if it was a motorsports shell like you described. Car got totaled on me one month into owning it it could be, i've never seen a mk4 jetta without the sunroof and i'm jealous but there was a series race for them i believe. it could maybe be a brazilian versio, they got different options than us, including a strange almost mk5 version.
johnyrotten Posted July 13 Posted July 13 52 minutes ago, stitchdup said: it could be, i've never seen a mk4 jetta without the sunroof and i'm jealous but there was a series race for them i believe. it could maybe be a brazilian versio, they got different options than us, including a strange almost mk5 version. It was a Mexican built car, a "3" in the vin. Brazil is a "9" I believe. You see why I'm confused about it. It's long gone now, I parted it out after I got out of the hospital. 1
1972coronet Posted July 13 Posted July 13 On 7/10/2025 at 6:11 PM, johnyrotten said: Those were more for scavenging than "boost" in that application as I understand it. Detroit's are the original source for the 4,6-71 blowers. Absolutely - I'd forgotten to mention that that's its objective. I just love the way that those "Jimmy Huffers" sound. To this day I can still hear the rattling of a 6v-71 in the local buses ; the Jimmy winding-up and "screaming". 2
johnyrotten Posted July 13 Posted July 13 17 minutes ago, 1972coronet said: Absolutely - I'd forgotten to mention that that's its objective. I just love the way that those "Jimmy Huffers" sound. To this day I can still hear the rattling of a 6v-71 in the local buses ; the Jimmy winding-up and "screaming". They sound awesome. Very unique 2
Ace-Garageguy Posted July 13 Posted July 13 8 hours ago, johnyrotten said: "Loudest guy in the room". I bet that things limited to 8-10 pounds of boost. If I'm seeing the turbo plumbing on that jackwagon right, it looks to me like any boost from the turbos will be dumped out the throttle butterflies on the hat as soon as they open. What am I missing??? 1
Tim W. SoCal Posted July 13 Posted July 13 There is an issue I have with turbo charged daily driven production cars I have that I don't know has ever been addressed. Back in the 80s, Turbo Volvos were EXTREMELY popular with the SoCal Yuppies. After the cars reached about 60k miles, they'd limp into the shop complaining about the horrendous cloud of blue smoke coming from the exhaust. (Never, it seemed, did they notice the colossal reduction in performance) What caused this was the impeller bearings in the turbo charger failing and wiping out the impeller shaft oil seals. The reason for this failure is the Yuppies would park their Volvos and shut down the engine, ending the oil flow to the impeller bearings, with the impeller spinning at as much as 100,00 RPM. We replaced MANY turbochargers that could have been saved if the drivers had let the car idle for about 30 seconds or so before shutting the engine off so the impeller could spool down. 1
Tim W. SoCal Posted July 13 Posted July 13 5 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said: If I'm seeing the turbo plumbing on that jackwagon right, it looks to me like any boost from the turbos will be dumped out the throttle butterflies on the hat as soon as they open. What am I missing??? You ain't missing a thing! It doesn't matter if it works or not, as long as it wows the "enthusiasts" buying tickets for the show car circuit... 1 1
Ace-Garageguy Posted July 13 Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, Tim W. SoCal said: There is an issue I have with turbo charged daily driven production cars I have that I don't know has ever been addressed. Back in the 80s, Turbo Volvos were EXTREMELY popular with the SoCal Yuppies. After the cars reached about 60k miles, they'd limp into the shop complaining about the horrendous cloud of blue smoke coming from the exhaust. (Never, it seemed, did they notice the colossal reduction in performance)... Well, they were yupps in Volvos, after all... 1
rattle can man Posted July 13 Posted July 13 perhaps they somehow built in a one-way check-valve? That is not the car I was referring to. the one I remember was a light blue metallic one.
Ace-Garageguy Posted July 13 Posted July 13 And if a 14-71 on the street isn't enough fer ya, how 'bout sumpin from a locomotive? (Yes, it's real.) 1
rattle can man Posted July 13 Posted July 13 According to this website, there was a block off plate behind the butterflies. the scoop was just for looks. 1965 NOVA SS - InNOVAtion | dobbertinperformance
Tim W. SoCal Posted July 13 Posted July 13 '67 Camaro with a '68 grill and a pregnant supercharger, Oh the ABOMINATION... (REALLY nice car if not for the dupe factor...)
johnyrotten Posted July 13 Posted July 13 31 minutes ago, Ace-Garageguy said: And if a 14-71 on the street isn't enough fer ya, how 'bout sumpin from a locomotive? (Yes, it's real.) I caught an interview on YouTube with the owner of that, they blipped the throttle ONE TIME and lifted both heads. Same car put it on the back bumper,and then the roof if I'm remembering right.
johnyrotten Posted July 13 Posted July 13 32 minutes ago, rattle can man said: According to this website, there was a block off plate behind the butterflies. the scoop was just for looks. 1965 NOVA SS - InNOVAtion | dobbertinperformance So the turbos are feeding the blower,the supercharger is "opened up" internally and acting as a overpriced tunnel ram. If I'm thinking right.
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