Rolls-Royce No Chemicals, No Paint, No Harmful Glues

[Anglia105E]

26 minutes ago, Big Messer said:

Goodwill is a chain of stores that sell items that people donate. Probably there is something like it over there.

Oh I see . . . We do have charity shops, which is where people bring stuff in for free that they no longer want and the charity shops sell the items quite cheaply.

Similar idea to Goodwill maybe . . .

David

[Big Messer]

9 minutes ago, Anglia105E said:

Oh I see . . . We do have charity shops, which is where people bring stuff in for free that they no longer want and the charity shops sell the items quite cheaply.

Similar idea to Goodwill maybe . . .

David

If you become addicted to it I will deny all the way to the electric chair being the instigator...

[Big Messer]

26 minutes ago, BERT100 said:

Sadly many models, (kits, diecasts, built) are much harder to find at Goodwill or any thrift type store now days. I used to, 3-4 years ago, see models cars, trucks, planes ships and occasionally figures on a frequent basis like 2 times a month. Now days it is a rare thing to see anything, maybe 1 time in 3-4 months.  Even the Hot Wheels types regardless of condition, are more scarce. 

Of course I may not be "at the right place at the right time" but as we go to various thrift stores 4-5 times a week I don't think that is always the case.  So I tend to agree that many stores  now seem to be useing the internet as their sales tool and cutting back use of the store shelves.  

A result of our new digital age I suppose--sigh, I so old😢

All those items are now being sent for auction. Sitting at the shelf caused a lot of damage.

[Anglia105E]

Today I set about polishing the roof panel area of the Entex body . . . Using the proven method ( Eco-Friendly ) baking soda toothpaste, distilled malt vinegar, and micro fibre cloth, the resulting mirror finish of the black plastic was most satisfying. One of the following photos shows a clear reflection of myself holding the camera as I photograph the roof of the model car . . .

The oversized Spirit of Ecstasy radiator grill mascot was removed, and this had only been pushed in, so not glued. One photo below shows the difference in size between the Minicraft mascot in the centre of the three mascots, and the two correctly sized 1:24 scale mascots . . .

I made a point of examining the area of the body where the wings meet the doors at the lower corner of the windshield, and I can confirm that there is no work required in these two areas. The casting is surprisingly good, compared to some examples that I have seen, both in my collection and in online images . . .

David

[David G.]

20 hours ago, Anglia105E said:

What did you think of the OVD 777 car at the New York dealer's for sale website?  Very sad to see any Rolls-Royce in such a neglected state, but someone will restore that once fine motor car. I just hope they do it sympathetically . . .

I think they're excellent photos, I snatched a copy of them for my own reference. As a young man I frequented scrap yards in search of parts to keep my own cars running. I would often spend hours just exploring and visiting the old ghosts that seemed to haunt such places. Poking about old wrecks like the one in those photos you uploaded, I could feel those old cars for what they once were. In some I could see the potential of what they could once again be.

From the photos, this feels like one of those cars. In what it is now I can feel what it was and see what it could be again.

Great progress on the polishing!

I like the properly sized mascot too. I wish I could have found one for the Rolls I built.

David G.

Edited Monday at 11:56 AM by David G.
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[Anglia105E]

8 minutes ago, David G. said:

I think they're excellent photos, I snatched a copy of them for my own reference. As a young man I frequented scrap yards in search of parts to keep my own cars running. I would often spend hours just exploring and visiting the old ghosts that seemed to haunt such places. Poking about old wrecks like the one in those photos you uploaded, I could feel those old cars for what they once were. In some I could see the potential of what they could once again be.

From the photos, this feels like one of those cars. In what it is now I can feel what it was and see what it could be again.

Great progress on the polishing!

I like the properly sized mascot too. I wish I could have found one for the Rolls I built.

David G.

Good idea to copy those photos for your own reference. When I was around the age of 17 - 20, I used to visit various different scrapyards with my Dad, usually on Sundays I seem to remember . . . We would rummage among the piled up scrap cars and unbolt any useful parts for my Ford Anglia 105E, and also my Dad's Ford Cortina MK 1 . . . Once you had gathered your parts together, you would take them to a  sort of ramshackle broken down hut or shed, where a man would ask for a few pounds for the whole lot. Very cheap, and the parts would keep both of our cars running nicely . . . Those were the days eh David ?

The correct sized mascots were resin cast for me by a model building friend who sadly passed away recently, and I only have two of them remaining. The Franklin Mint Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud I does have the correct sized radiator grille mascot in metal at 1:24 scale, but every single car that I purchased on Ebay had the mascot missing . . . I can only assume that the sellers would remove the part before offering the model car for sale.

David W.

[Anglia105E]

The first photo in the following series of photos shows a mockup of the car on wheels, but this is the test model, so not the actual build model. You can see how well the Silver Cloud presents itself in terms of proportions and stance . . . This afternoon I have polished the driver's side of the body, including front and rear wings and front and rear doors. The resulting shine continues to impress me, and by the time the window glass and BMF have been added later this model car should have a realistic appearance . . .

Having contacted the RREC, Rolls-Royce Enthusiast's Club, as an ex-member they have informed me that the real car in New York, USA does not appear on their extensive database. They have no data for the UK registration plate OVD 777, but the lady at the RREC is going to forward my enquiry to the Silver Cloud registrar.

Maybe I should contact the RROC, which is the Rolls-Royce Owner's Club of North America, located in Mechanics burg, PA, to see if they have any record of this Silver Cloud that is for sale in New York . . .

David

[Big Messer]

VERY NICE JOB!

[Anglia105E]

9 hours ago, Big Messer said:

VERY NICE JOB!

Many thanks for your comment Jose . . . The work proceeds at a steady pace !

David

[David G.]

That's quite a good shine David!

I see also what you were saying about the transition between the wings and doors. Aside from the parting seams, it's not bad at all; nothing like the abysmal mess I dealt with.

 

It wouldn't have been so bad it it were just one side but...

 

It looks like you got lucky with your kit.

David G.

[Anglia105E]

1 hour ago, David G. said:

That's quite a good shine David!

I see also what you were saying about the transition between the wings and doors. Aside from the parting seams, it's not bad at all; nothing like the abysmal mess I dealt with.

 

It wouldn't have been so bad it it were just one side but...

 

It looks like you got lucky with your kit.

David G.

That particular kit that you had to work with is probably one of the worst examples of this defect that I have seen . The area of the bodywork at the join between fender, door and windshield must have been difficult to cast from the tooling that was available to companies such as Minicraft, Revell, Academy, Entex, Masterkit and Hubley, as the moulds were well past their sell by date . . .

Now that I am not able to use filler and sanding techniques, I feel so lucky to have picked up a kit that does not require this type of work in that area.

David W.

[Anglia105E]

During this afternoon, I fitted the Entex boot lid to the Entex body shell, which seems to be a nice close fit. However, there are two dimples immediately above the two boot lid hinges that are underneath . . . Although I am reluctant to use Mr White Putty R filler, this may the only way to deal those unsightly dimples.

For the first time I decided to use a short length of cotton bud stalk for the boot lid hinge mechanism, rather than the usual cocktail stick. All of my previous Silver Cloud builds have a short length of cocktail stick wedged between the struts inside the body shell. The two hooks of the boot lid hinges fit tightly over the makeshift hinge bar . . . The cotton bud stalk has a slightly larger diameter than the cocktail stick, and this actually works much better I have realised. No glue of any kind is required for the boot lid mounting.

The Entex chassis, along with the chrome plastic axles, road wheels and tyres have been mated up with the body, and also the rear bumper. All of these parts are simply test fitted at this stage . . . The axles are very loose within their mounting holes, and the wheels are also loose on the axles, so this needs to be addressed later.

I have emailed the RROC in North America, asking them for a chassis number for the OVD 777 car, if they have the car listed on their database. The RREC in England do not have any records for the car on their database. I have attached a selection of photos to the email message for the RROC, one of which shows both the UK registration number plate, as well as the Texas license plate also . . .

David

[BERT100]

Your polishing progress is inspireing and nothing short of amazing.  Also a drat-double-drat on the trunk-er- boot lid dimples. 

p.s.

😉As a side note  I once had, sadly lost in the Great Fire of Kindergarden, a recipe, for filling  small depressions caused by dragon's teeth on knights armor. However, on reflection, I don't think it would have been usefull for your application as it includes Eye of newt, ox blood and spyder webs gathered on the full moon of the second lunar anomaly, plus smoke from burnt frog hair.   🤣

[Anglia105E]

7 hours ago, BERT100 said:

Your polishing progress is inspireing and nothing short of amazing.  Also a drat-double-drat on the trunk-er- boot lid dimples. 

p.s.

😉As a side note  I once had, sadly lost in the Great Fire of Kindergarden, a recipe, for filling  small depressions caused by dragon's teeth on knights armor. However, on reflection, I don't think it would have been usefull for your application as it includes Eye of newt, ox blood and spyder webs gathered on the full moon of the second lunar anomaly, plus smoke from burnt frog hair.   🤣

Thanks for the amusing recipe Steve . . . You have a way with words ! . . . Something did occur to me last night, the filler is white in colour, so even when it has dried and I sand the surface smooth, I cannot polish the black plastic of the trunk lid. One idea would be to mix Vallejo Gloss Black acrylic with the filler before applying the mix to the dimples, but not sure if that method would work . . .

Every single one of these boot / trunk lid parts in these Silver Cloud kits has the two dimples in exactly the same place . . .

David

[David G.]

That's a clever bit of engineering with the cocktail stick David!

The only non-toxic fume free suggestion I might offer to fill in the dimples would be hydrocal plaster. Though it would likely be tricky to mix in teaspoon proportions and then there's the matter of painting the fill afterword. It probably wouldn't bond with the plastic either unless you mixed some PVA into it.

Hmmm.

She does have a good stance in profile.

David G.

[Anglia105E]

1 hour ago, David G. said:

That's a clever bit of engineering with the cocktail stick David!

The only non-toxic fume free suggestion I might offer to fill in the dimples would be hydrocal plaster. Though it would likely be tricky to mix in teaspoon proportions and then there's the matter of painting the fill afterword. It probably wouldn't bond with the plastic either unless you mixed some PVA into it.

Hmmm.

She does have a good stance in profile.

David G.

All of the previous eight Sliver Cloud builds have had the ' cocktail stick ' boot lid hinge pin modification fitted, so there is no part included in any of the kits to achieve this . . . My first use of a cotton bud stalk has provided a much better hinge pin action, as it is a tighter fit. Not yet sure what to do about those nasty boot lid dimples . . . Something like melted black plastic could have been an option in the past, but that process would give off unpleasant fumes, even in a very small quantity . . .

David W.

[Anglia105E]

After checking that the boot / trunk lid can be raised to the fully open position, the spare wheel and tyre was mounted onto the chassis floor. The rear bumper fits between the body and the chassis at a later stage . . . Then I have measured, drawn and cut out the panel that fits immediately behind the spare wheel. One of the photos below shows this panel mounted in white on a previous build, which is 225 ALG. The panel has been given a coat of black permanent marker, to give it the black colour. The same permanent marker was applied to the lower edge of the rear body, after this was sanded down to remove a rough imperfection. The spare wheel panel was fabricated from thin white card . . .

David

 

[David G.]

Good progress on this David.

It's nice knowing that this kit is getting the love and attention it deserves.

David G.

[Anglia105E]

2 hours ago, David G. said:

Good progress on this David.

It's nice knowing that this kit is getting the love and attention it deserves.

David G.

Thank you kindly Sir . . . I cannot quite understand why they didn't include perhaps 52 parts in the kit, rather than only 26 parts . . . I mean, this is a scale model of probably the finest motor car in the World, ever ? Even more surprising is that no other kit manufacturer produced a kit of this car. Hubley were the first company to make this available, and subsequently the tooling was passed down to Minicraft, Academy, Revell and Masterkit . . .

I have found a Revell version of the Silver Cloud kit listed on Ebay, and the auction ends this coming Sunday afternoon. There are zero bidders, the starting price is only £16.13 ( US $. 21.64 ), postage is just over two GBP, and this kit is complete, with only two parts painted (rear seat ). I might bid on this one . . .

David W.

[Anglia105E]

Today the body was lowered onto the chassis and I examined the area around the spare wheel and boot lid . . .

The rear bumper has been inserted into the slots between body and chassis as a test fit only.

I have a thin card template for the boot carpet, used to build previous Silver Cloud models, so this was placed inside the luggage compartment for a simple visual inspection. The boot carpet will be grey, and the interior upholstery will also be grey ( not blue as on the test model ).

The parts to be assembled at the rear of the car include the reversing / number plate lamp, the number plate plinth and the two rear lamp clusters. These chrome rear lamps have been given a thin coating of amber and red, using a Sharpie.

David

[Big Messer]

5 hours ago, Anglia105E said:

Thank you kindly Sir . . . I cannot quite understand why they didn't include perhaps 52 parts in the kit, rather than only 26 parts . . . I mean, this is a scale model of probably the finest motor car in the World, ever ? Even more surprising is that no other kit manufacturer produced a kit of this car. Hubley were the first company to make this available, and subsequently the tooling was passed down to Minicraft, Academy, Revell and Masterkit . . .

As I see it, this kit was tooled in the early to mid 60s by a company that made mostly toys not real scale models, so superdetailing (even then) was a hit-and-miss situation. Looks more like a promo.

[Anglia105E]

2 minutes ago, Big Messer said:

As I see it, this kit was tooled in the early to mid 60s by a company that made mostly toys not real scale models, so superdetailing (even then) was a hit-and-miss situation. Looks more like a promo.

When you explain it like that Jose, I can understand why this is not a super detailed kit. The Hubley promo in blue plastic came first, around 1960, and was distributed to motor car dealers to begin with. Then came the Hubley version of the kit, some in blue plastic and later in grey plastic. Eventually, the kit was produced in black plastic by Revell and Minicraft . . . As a toy in the early'60's this was a very accurate representation of a Rolls-Royce motor car.

You can see the Hubley promo on display, just right of centre in this photo, and it compares well to my built models from kits . . .

David

[Big Messer]

The pink monstrosity that I posted started as a blue Hubley. I got it as an incomplete glue bomb: I got exactly the body shell, chassis, 4 wheels and trunk lid. Nothing else, so I figured that it would not be a great loss for the collector community if I did what I did.... so I did it. Nice display BTW.

Edited Thursday at 11:20 PM by Big Messer

[Anglia105E]

11 hours ago, Big Messer said:

The pink monstrosity that I posted started as a blue Hubley. I got it as an incomplete glue bomb: I got exactly the body shell, chassis, 4 wheels and trunk lid. Nothing else, so I figured that it would not be a great loss for the collector community if I did what I did.... so I did it. Nice display BTW.

Thanks Jose . . . You did a great job with your incomplete glue bomb back then, and you didn't have much to start from . . .

The display in the previous photo was my tables at the 2018 Rolls-Royce Enthusiasts Club Annual Rally, held at Burghley House in Stamford, England . . .

David

[Anglia105E]

Turning my attention to the windscreen / windshield of this model, I measured precisely the dimensions of the part required. This came out at 50 mm for the top edge, 53 mm for the lower edge and 16 mm for each of the side edges . . . This positions the part on the outside of the windscreen frame, with around one millimetre of overlap.

The part was cut out from a sheet of thin clear film and offered up as a test fit to the windscreen frame on the outside of the body . . .

Now I need to think about how to mount this thin clear film screen onto the body . . . I am toying with the idea of reducing the dimensions of the screen part very slightly, and then attempting to mount the screen just inside the frame, from the outside, exactly how this would be done on the real car. There would of course be a rubber seal surrounding the glass on the real car . . .

David