Chuck Most Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 you can run a directional tire in the wrong direction, you see this quite alot actually. will the tire perform the way it's supposed too? nope and in rain or wet conditions may even cause you to crash. Dave's right- all the so-called tire shops in my area seem to pay no heed to directional tread. Once, when we got one of our company vehicles back from getting new tires, the shop somehow managed to put both tires on one side backwards. Even though there's a big huge arrow that points which way the tires are supposed to face on the sidewall.
Guest Johnny Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 For non directional radial tires. They are not directional until you use them in a certian direction for some time, then they are directional. The cords set in that direction and if you reverse it you can have seperation. Directional ties are only directional because of tread design. The "you cannot run used radials tew opposite direction" is an old wives tale and was used as an excuse for tire failure (due to flaws in mfg) when radials first came on the market! The only thing one might have experienced with the steel belted tires was a a rumbling for a short time but that usually went away! That is the main reason for keeping tires on the same side and only rotating back to front instead of around like they used to with bias ply tires! Kevin, sounds like the tires are not safe to drive on! I have seen tires that sat for a long time not stored properly but looked like new blow apart first time on the road due to deterioration of the rubber! Look for some new tires SOON!
James Flowers Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 I for got to mention that you should always check the date code on the tires. Tires can look brand new but are not always so. They can lay around for years. You would not know until you check the date code. You would not believe how many people will buy new tires and then junk a car truck with them on it.
CAL Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 I for got to mention that you should always check the date code on the tires. Tires can look brand new but are not always so. They can lay around for years. You would not know until you check the date code. You would not believe how many people will buy new tires and then junk a car truck with them on it. A good tire shop around here wont even mount and balance a tire more than 5 years old any more. Too much liability. I can't stress the importance of tires enough. It is the only thing between you and the road, and an accident, stopping in time to miss a child, and so on, especailly when it is wet out or worse. It's not the tread that is most important, while it helps push water out from under the contact area it offers zero traction benefits it is all in the compound. Tires is not a place to get cheap on. You don't have to spend a fortune on tires, you just need to get good tires.
Wayne Buck Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 (edited) If you can't run non-directional tires in reverse rotation after they've been run, then why do some manufacturers recommend tire rotation with an "X-pattern"? I think you just had a case of good old bad luck. Like someone mentioned, the tire could have been run under-inflated. If they were used, the guy that had them before you could have been driving around for months with 10psi in the tire and it was already damaged and waiting to blow out. Or maybe you hit something? I've been a mechanic since out of high school and have seen MANY tires blow out like this. It's pretty amazing what can happen to tires sometimes. I had one car come in a few years ago with a pair of pliers stuck in the tire. Both of the handles were pushed through the tread and the head of the pliers were hanging out. We cut that part of the tire out and it's hanging on the wall at my father's shop. Edited April 20, 2010 by NJ-Wayne
CAL Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 If you can't run non-directional tires in reverse rotation after they've been run, then why do some manufacturers recommend tire rotation with an "X-pattern"? I think you just had a case of good old bad luck. Like someone mentioned, the tire could have been run under-inflated. If they were used, the guy that had them before you could have been driving around for months with 10psi in the tire and it was already damaged and waiting to blow out. Or maybe you hit something? I've been a mechanic since out of high school and have seen MANY tires blow out like this. It's pretty amazing what can happen to tires sometimes. I had one car come in a few years ago with a pair of pliers stuck in the tire. Both of the handles were pushed through the tread and the head of the pliers were hanging out. We cut that part of the tire out and it's hanging on the wall at my father's shop. Actually they don't recommend the X pattern any more, they do recommend a modified X. The drive tires stay on the same side and the free axle gets crossed. There are still a lot of people who strickly follow not changing the direction rule.
Wayne Buck Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 True. Honestly, I've never even done the modified x. I always just go back to front on both sides.
Wayne Buck Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Holy cow!! Did that ever destroy that car! That tire had to be going 200mph with an open diff! Poor Camaro
CAL Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Holy cow!! Did that ever destroy that car! That tire had to be going 200mph with an open diff! Poor Camaro Still had lots of tread so that is what I suspect: exceeding the speed rating.
CAL Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 True. Honestly, I've never even done the modified x. I always just go back to front on both sides. That is what I do too.
CAL Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 this one is just too funny! beware of "inappropriate language" "what do you think happened, did i pop the tire?" Dave Yeah, I seen that before, that's awesome. Yeah dude ya popped a tire, that roof will buff out. I wonder exactly how he explained that to his insurance company? There was this um yeah fly in the middle or the road and swerved to miss him and I think a tire popped. Further proof there is no shortage of morons in the world.
Nick Winter Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Kevin this also happened to my grandfather last year on his way to florida, maybe it's a GM thing?
Guest Mustang3.8 Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 (edited) Thanks, guys. And Dave, would not be to sure about other damage. I think the wheel bearing on the right side is toast. Edited April 20, 2010 by Mustang3.8
Guest Mustang3.8 Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 The front suspention is in good condition. In fact, when I changed the oil a few weeks ago, I gave all the joints a complete oil job. the alignment is good, too. The car does not pull in any direction. There is just a grinding sound coming from the right front tire when I drive it.
MikeMc Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 It's complicated Way over my head........mmmmmmgood!
Guest Mustang3.8 Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Thanks, Brian. What's now causing the grinding sound?
Rick Schmidt Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Aint nothing wrong with changing direction of Radials. As a matter of a Fact I swapped the front tires side to side on my Stang Was getting a bit of feathering on the outter edge swapped em around to even it back out. Never blew a tire. Even run used tires on the F150 ( 31x10.50s aint cheap lol ) never worried about puttin them on the same position they were on the previous vehicle ( I even took 1 set off the vehicle so it's not like I just happened to get it right ) no blow outs or even a weird noise. Sounds like he just had an old tire or Hit something he did not see ( it happens). the marks he talked about on the sidewall after just sounds like run flat damage. Doesn't take long to destroy a tire after it looses pressure. Have people tell me everyday car just started pulling I stopped and all I have left is the bead. Hit a board on the Interstate in my 82 Stang one time at 70 caused the driver front to fail as a board will do to a tire. Car took me for a ride across the median and into the oncoming lanes ( no traffic luckily ) Less than 1/4 mile I had no tire just the bead also had no inner fender lol. Like was said Just chalk it up to experience buy another tire and repair any damage caused by the other tires failure and go on with life. Tires fail unexpected ( and expected but nothing done about) Everyday if not Tire shops would have no reason to exist
Longbox55 Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 You can't reverse the rotation of a radial tire once it's been run in one direction. Old myth, no real truth to it with modern radials. On the rotation part, the accepted rotation is to "cross to the power", meaning the non-drive gets crossed to the drive.
Junkman Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 (edited) Tyres can pop, you know. The only really serious thing about it is that you can get seriously killed. But such is life. Edited April 21, 2010 by Junkman
Guest Johnny Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 If you didn't have thegrinding sound before the tire blew you may have a bent backing plate. Might check the brake pads too!
Guest Mustang3.8 Posted April 21, 2010 Posted April 21, 2010 Thanks, guys. I got the rear stud fixed. I also had the mechanic check the front end, and the problem was the lugnuts. They were over an inch too long, so I took it to the tire shop and they ground down the nuts free of charge.
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