1:16 Modelers, a couple of questions.

[DirtModeler]

I'm going to be working on the artwork for some 1:16 drag race parts... namely a 1:16th scale version of the drag race parts I already offer in 1:24.

My questions are:

1. What is the diameter of the tube you'll use for your rear axles? I need to set the hole size for the 4-link suspension to match.

2. What diameter do you use for your roll cages? I need to make sure the suspension brackets will fit around them.

3. Lastly, What size screws do you use to connect your suspension pieces (Tie Rods, Suspension Links, etc) to the brass mounts? 00-90? 0-80? 1-72? I've never built at 1:16 so i'm not sure what you would go with?

I'll reformat the plates to fit, and also plan on some weld drag racing beadlocks scaled to 1:16.

thanks for your input.

Michael S. Crowley

Dirt Modeler

[eviltwincustoms]

Hey Michael Thanks for thinking of those of us that build 1/16 stuff... Not sure if I can say with absolute certainty what everyone uses.. and really based on the parts someone purchases these sizes could change.

My questions are:

1. What is the diameter of the tube you'll use for your rear axles? I need to set the hole size for the 4-link suspension to match.

My Answer to this is make the hole small and give the purchaser the option to bore the hole out as needed to fit. Better to be smaller then to big. Really like I said it depends on the builder, what one may think the size is needed for the axle may be bigger or smaller depending on the Rear Axle housing being used.

2. What diameter do you use for your roll cages? I need to make sure the suspension brackets will fit around them.

I know for me I use .100" diameter styrene Rod which works out to 1 5/8" in 1:1 scale, some use .125. So are you making your parts to actual SCALE or to fit the needs of most?

3. Lastly, What size screws do you use to connect your suspension pieces (Tie Rods, Suspension Links, etc) to the brass mounts? 00-90? 0-80? 1-72? I've never built at 1:16 so i'm not sure what you would go with?

If you are only talking to the rear 4-Link mounts most will use 00-90 size scale hardware. The concern is coming that Scale Hardware if moving away from US threads and going metric. To stay at this same size it would be the 1.4mm which would be very close to the same size. Anything up front, for myself I think the 00-90 becomes out of scale and a smaller size is needed. So again, this is really based on the builder.

I'll reformat the plates to fit, and also plan on some weld drag racing beadlocks scaled to 1:16.

thanks for your input.

Sounds like you have a lot of cool things on the Horizon planned. As for 1/16 wheels, my suggestion would be to make sure that they are sized to fit any current Tire available... IE: Flashpoint and have some sort of Back spacing... or you will find issues with fitment. My biggest complaint about the resin ones currently, is they are not centered to be perfectly round, and the detail is some what lost in the casting process.

Other than that, I wish you luck and bring on those aftermarket parts! You should have a lot of success, especially if you make Carbs for the NOS guys.

[Red rocket 10]

Michael I totally agree with Bart, I also use .100" rod for the chassis and rollcage aswell , I would rather bore out the suspension pieces if neccessary .

This product would be very welcomed .

[Mooneyzs]

Hello Michael....

Count me in as another that will be interested in the 1/16th scale parts you will be doing. Its great to see more stuff out there for this scale.

1. What is the diameter of the tube you'll use for your rear axles? I need to set the hole size for the 4-link suspension to match.

I have to agree with Bart on this one that it depends on what rear end the builder will be using or if he/she will be scratch building themself or using and aftermarket resin one. If its possible to make with a smaller size and if the builder can open them up that would be great too.

2. What diameter do you use for your roll cages? I need to make sure the suspension brackets will fit around them.

As far a tubing sizes i would say that is going to very from builder to builder depending on what they will go with. Here is a list of what sizes I think will be common:

ROD

.08 (16) = 1.28, equivalent to 1-1/4" tubing

.100(16) = 1.60, equivalent to 1-5/8" tubing

TUBING

.093(16) = 1.48, equivalent to 1-1/2" tubing

.125(16) = 2.00, equivalent to 2" tubing

.156(16) = 2.496, equivalent to 2-1/2" tubing

.188(16) = 3.008, equivalent to 3" tubing

3. Lastly, What size screws do you use to connect your suspension pieces (Tie Rods, Suspension Links, etc) to the brass mounts? 00-90? 0-80? 1-72? I've never built at 1:16 so i'm not sure what you would go with?

I personnaly have been using Scale hardware for most of my hardware for my builds and depending on the part it will vary with what I will use for the bolts. Here is a list that I can say what Bolts I use from them:

Threaded Hex Bolts

.8 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .042", Dia. = .031", Length = .100" equivalent to a 1/2" bolt

1.00 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .055", Dia, =.039", Length = .140" equivalent to a 5/8" Bolt

1.1 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .055", Dia. = .043", Length = .140" equivalent to a 11/16" Bolt

1.2 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .078", Dia = .047", Length = .315" equivalent to a 3/4" Bolt

1.4 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .078", Dia. = .055", Length = .315" equivalent to a 7/8" Bolt

1.6 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex Head = .096", Dia. = .063", Length = .394" equivalent to a 1" Bolt

00-90 threaded hex bolt, Hex head =.078", Dia. = .047", Length = .500" equivalent to a 3/4" Bolt

00-80 threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .091", Dia = .058", Length = .500" equivalent to a 15/16" Bolt

Simulated Hex Bolts

.7 mm Simulated hex bolt, Hex Head = .028", Dia. = .016", Length = .118" equivalent to a 7/16" Bolt

.85 mm Simulated hex bolt, Hex head = .033", Dia = .020", Length = .118" equivalent to a 5/16" Bolt

1.0 mm Simulated Hex Bolt, Hex head = .039", Dia = .020", Length = .157" equivalent to a 5/16" or 3/8" Bolt

I'll reformat the plates to fit, and also plan on some weld drag racing beadlocks scaled to 1:16.

I am looking forward to seeing what you will be offering in 1/16th scale and I will be picking some stuff up when you get them made. Its great to see more aftermarket items for us 1/16th scale builders. Thank you!

Edited November 1, 2011 by Mooneyzs

[Tim Pentecost]

Yeah, what these guys said!!! Keep us posted for when they come out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TimP

[eviltwincustoms]

Threaded Hex Bolts

.8 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .042", Dia. = .031", Length = .100" equivalent to a 1/2" bolt

1.00 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .055", Dia, =.039", Length = .140" equivalent to a 5/8" Bolt

1.1 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .055", Dia. = .043", Length = .140" equivalent to a 11/16" Bolt

1.2 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .078", Dia = .047", Length = .315" equivalent to a 3/4" Bolt

1.4 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .078", Dia. = .055", Length = .315" equivalent to a 7/8" Bolt

1.6 mm threaded hex bolt, Hex Head = .096", Dia. = .063", Length = .394" equivalent to a 1" Bolt

00-90 threaded hex bolt, Hex head =.078", Dia. = .047", Length = .500" equivalent to a 3/4" Bolt

00-80 threaded hex bolt, Hex head = .091", Dia = .058", Length = .500" equivalent to a 15/16" Bolt

Simulated Hex Bolts

.7 mm Simulated hex bolt, Hex Head = .028", Dia. = .016", Length = .118" equivalent to a 7/16" Bolt

.85 mm Simulated hex bolt, Hex head = .033", Dia = .020", Length = .118" equivalent to a 5/16" Bolt

1.0 mm Simulated Hex Bolt, Hex head = .039", Dia = .020", Length = .157" equivalent to a 5/16" or 3/8" Bolt

WOW Chris..... I don't need to look any further for a scale reference as to what size Hex bolt or nut I need.. When I have an extensive reference guide right here in front of me!

This is just awesome for anyone to reference. Thanks!

[astroracer]

You mentioned "artwork" so I am assuming these will be photoetched parts. If so what material will you be using? If you use a half hard stainless it will be difficult for these guys to drill it out cleanly.

Most 1:1 axle tubes are 3" in dia. This scales down to a 3/16ths dia K&S aluminum or brass tube. If you make the hole about .19 you will be good. Anything smaller will look out of scale as will anything bigger.

Mark S.

MAS

Edited November 1, 2011 by astroracer

[DirtModeler]

That's correct, I specialize in Brass photoetched parts. These parts will be my standard thickness .012" brass, to allow for soldering to brass frames, or to easily drill out the holes to your desired sizes. I'll try to hit the most common sizes so they will be ready to use off the fret.

I won't be going too crazy with the photoetch stuff, but due to popularity of the drag parts, i do want to expand the line and support the growing number of 1:16 modelers out there.

[Mooneyzs]

WOW Chris..... I don't need to look any further for a scale reference as to what size Hex bolt or nut I need.. When I have an extensive reference guide right here in front of me!

This is just awesome for anyone to reference. Thanks!

Bart you are welcome. It seems I have seen people ask the question on tubing sizes lately and figured I would share the info. Take in mind that these sizes are for 1/16th scale. If you want it for 1/24 or 1/25th just multiply or divide by the scale depending on which way you are trying to convert to.

Edited November 2, 2011 by Mooneyzs