Any feedback on this paint booth

[Evil Appetite]

Same here, emails unanswered and I don't think his toll free number is set up to work from Canada.

I spoke with Bob Pace last night. Nice fella. he said it would cost anywhere from $70 to $150 for shipping depending on which booth I purchase

[imarriedawitch]

I spoke with Bob Pace last night. Nice fella. he said it would cost anywhere from $70 to $150 for shipping depending on which booth I purchase

Good to know. Thanks.

[Mike Kucaba]

My suggestion for those of you where shipping is a problem would be to take pictures or drawing with dimensions of some booths you like and shop some local HVAC shops that do tin work and see what they quote. My booth looks like that is where it was made,or maybe a tinsmith made it. Then all you need is a good motor from Graingers. One other comment. While I like mine,if I get another it will definately be a downdraft type .

[Junkman]

No, the only time I get a smell up in my hobby room is if I leave my airbrush in lacquer thinners before I clean it out, but when spraying, no, I get no smells, even when using Lacquer paints, I've used mine for the last 12 months, and have only just bought a new filter for it, which cost me £6.00, so it's a pretty cheap unit, and does the job ....I wouldn't be without it.

And the units sold in England run on 240V and don't explode when you spray with Halfords paints?

[scalenut]

You misunderstand shaded pole and explosion proof. Shaded pole is also known as a squirrel cage, these have the motor seperated from the airflow (round water wheel looking blower attached to a shaft that goes to the motor). It has nothing to do with a rheostat controller. Most bath fans and range hoods are not shaded poles, they are axial fans that allow the fumes to run right over the motor. If wiring of the motor becomes compromised theoretically you could get a spark and a fire. Since the motor of the squirrel cage is out of the air flow it does not get exposed to the fumes, should last longer and is less likely to create sparks that could meet up with fumes.

Explosion proof is a completely different issue, that is a certification that the motor and switches are sealed allowing use in a flammable atmosphere. Explosion proof is complete overkill for a hobby spray booth, you would find them in a full size automotive spray booth or fuel bunker. As you mention the cost puts them out of reach for most hobbiests.

A squirrel cage is the preffered style of blower but many use the more common (and cheaper) axial type, most of them never have a problem.

Thanks for the clarification Aaron , there is so much info to sift thru on the internet it's hard to know what's real and whats not accurate. And what pertains to hobby use

I'm still not sure what blower to get for mine, I want it to be safe but not overkill.

Edited December 13, 2011 by scalenut

[JamesW]

http://www.pacepaintbooths.com/pace/

Think I'm gonna save up for The Peace Keeper Deluxe.

[crazyjim]

I have the Super-Mini and it works just great.

[JamesW]

I have the Super-Mini and it works just great.

I also paint 1:1 interior trim panels, so I need something a little bigger.

Edited December 13, 2011 by grimreaper

[Gregg]

Jim, did you get the Pace booth because of the review in MCM?

[jbwelda]

75- 150$ SHIPPING?

you got to be kidding, even to canada. doesnt that thing fold up? i would not buy a booth for 250$ and then expect to pay half that to have it shipped. just sayin...sounds like gouging to me.

that said a pace booth is on my christmas (to myself) list.

[crazyjim]

Gregg - I decided to go with a Pace unit because of the horror stories here on the forum. The MCM review also helped.

[GeeBee]

And the units sold in England run on 240V and don't explode when you spray with Halfords paints?

Yes, they run on 240v, they have a moulded in plug fitted, and no, it won't explode when using Halfords paints, they are acrylic lacquer, I've used the older more volatile cellulose paints, and still over the 12 months I've owned it, had no problems at all, even when I'm cleaning out the airbrush using thinners, I spray it into the booth, and still no BOOM !!!

[Prostreet]

Jeff you ever pick up this booth?

[Amp3r3z]

75- 150$ SHIPPING?

you got to be kidding, even to canada. doesnt that thing fold up? i would not buy a booth for 250$ and then expect to pay half that to have it shipped. just sayin...sounds like gouging to me.

im with you!!!

[Tom Setzer]

I use a Paasche spray booth, and it has great filtration. It is a Pro Booth and built for heavy use, so it is not as easy to move around as the Pace Super Mini(which I also own and think is a good booth), but the Paasche seems to do a better job filtering out the Fumes from panting. I use both of my Spray Booths regularly, and I would recomend either of them. Don't Buy that cheap booth, save your money and get a quality booth!

[Art Anderson]

well...than what about paasche, badger,artograph,tcp global, hobby model,ect... hobby spray booths, they all say that in the fine print, yet there's a million out there.

and "shaded pole" has nothing to do with "explosion proof" so Pace is not any safer

most bath fans and range hood fans are shaded pole, it allows the speed to be adjusted with a rheostat (knob)

and they are low cost.

you pretty much have to step up to more industrial level offerings to get a spark proof system.

they start out at $800-$1,000....those motors are expensive.

I've been reading up on this for the last couple months, because I'm building my own booth also

even the "explosion proof" motors are not exactly right,I found out that can simply mean that the motor is contained from explosions.

the pace booths are very nice , and I imagine someone could adapt a different motor if it's absolutly necessary

For starters, I can't see how the particular spray booth in question here will do any more than remove the particulates (the solids in paint--the overspray droplets that dry into dust that settles everywhoere), while returning the air exhausted from the work area in front of the filter DIRECTLY back into the operators face.

To my way of thinking, that simply means it's only going to do half the job--nice to have the overspray dust filtered out, but without removing the vapors (and their smell) from where you are working, you're still right back to square one--those living in the house with you are probably going to be very disappointed that they still smell your paint. With that in mind, it's little wonder that there is such a disclaimer as regards hazardous and flammable fumes!

We all want something for less (less is more, cheaper is "better" huh?) but not pulling the fumes of lacquer or enamel paints OUT of the house isn't going to keep a spouse or, in the case of apartment living--the neighbors any happier--trust me on that one!

Yeah, a Pace Peacemaker is a lot more expensive, but it is a ONE TIME BUY (of course, you do have to replace the filters, but they are commonly available furnace (HVAC) filters, and are inexpensive to boot.

To set up a Pace when you don't want to (or can't due to landlord considerations) cut a hole in the exterior wall of the house or apartment) it's still quite easy to set up! Position the spray booth as near a window as you can. At most any lumberyard or home improvement store, you can buy either a partial sheet of plywood (at least 1/2" thick) or particle board (think unfinished utility shelving here--it works just fine), a clothes dryer vent and flexible duct, and a hole cutting saw (this later isn't exactly cheap, but they last forever).

Cut the plywood or particle board shelf to the size of the opening when you open the window (I live in an upstairs apartment, with modern insulated sash windows), a sash window will hold the panel in place when you lower the sash down on top of the panel (or "plug" if you will). The hole saw needs to be the same diameter as the dryer vent, of course (the total cost of the particle board, dryer vent/hose kit, and hole saw was less than $50). Once made, set in the window, spray booth turned on, it is virtually whisper quiet, totally vibration free as well.

The "proof is in the pudding" or so the saying goes! My downstairs neighbor is a neurotic older woman, who's very prone to complaining about the slightest thing--and guess what? She's got no clue that I shoot lacquer right over her head, she neither hears it, NOR smells it (If her nose picked up even a hint of paint smells, she'd be on me and the landlord in a NY minute, trust me!).

As for the "explosion proof" issue: Pace uses a squirrel cage blower, you know, the thingie with a rotating turbine that looks like the paddle wheel on the Delta Queen. This is the same type of blower that is used on EVERY gas furnace I have ever seen, and with it, the electric motor is ENTIRELY outside the stream of air (and whatever flammable fumes are in that stream of air), which makes it about as explosion proof as you can get.

In final analysis: I've been using my Pace Peacemaker (next to the largest size they make) for about 6 months now, and trust me, absolutely no paint fumes in the house, absolutely NO overspray dust (even used it when mixing and applying polyester--catalyzed putty--putty on a Moebius 55 Chrysler 300 to show the toolmakers what the roof contour needed to be--not even a hint of that "body shop smell"!). The price last February, was a sale price--Pace has been known to run specials from time to time--right at $250. However, bear in mind, Pace makes their booths in galvanized sheet metal, based around a common size HVAC filter, AND a top quality squirrel cage blower-----ONE TIME BUY that likely will outlive most any user of one. I for one trust that Peacemaker is the correct term--if it keeps my persnickety, crotchety old bat of a neighbor lady at bay, oblivious to my model car hobby, then in deed it will keep the peace.

Note: I do not work for Pace, nor do I work for anyone selling them--I AM MERELY A VERY HAPPY OWNER AND USER OF THEIR PRODUCT, and my endorsement of Pace spray booths is purely voluntary, based on ownership and use of one--OK?

Art

[Mr. Can Am Garage]

How much money is your health worth? Mine's worth at least what I paid for my Pace. No worries. Lifetime purchase.

[scalenut]

For starters, I can't see how the particular spray booth in question here will do any more than remove the particulates (the solids in paint--the overspray droplets that dry into dust that settles everywhoere), while returning the air exhausted from the work area in front of the filter DIRECTLY back into the operators face.

To my way of thinking, that simply means it's only going to do half the job--nice to have the overspray dust filtered out, but without removing the vapors (and their smell) from where you are working, you're still right back to square one--those living in the house with you are probably going to be very disappointed that they still smell your paint. With that in mind, it's little wonder that there is such a disclaimer as regards hazardous and flammable fumes!

We all want something for less (less is more, cheaper is "better" huh?) but not pulling the fumes of lacquer or enamel paints OUT of the house isn't going to keep a spouse or, in the case of apartment living--the neighbors any happier--trust me on that one!

Yeah, a Pace Peacemaker is a lot more expensive, but it is a ONE TIME BUY (of course, you do have to replace the filters, but they are commonly available furnace (HVAC) filters, and are inexpensive to boot.

To set up a Pace when you don't want to (or can't due to landlord considerations) cut a hole in the exterior wall of the house or apartment) it's still quite easy to set up! Position the spray booth as near a window as you can. At most any lumberyard or home improvement store, you can buy either a partial sheet of plywood (at least 1/2" thick) or particle board (think unfinished utility shelving here--it works just fine), a clothes dryer vent and flexible duct, and a hole cutting saw (this later isn't exactly cheap, but they last forever).

Cut the plywood or particle board shelf to the size of the opening when you open the window (I live in an upstairs apartment, with modern insulated sash windows), a sash window will hold the panel in place when you lower the sash down on top of the panel (or "plug" if you will). The hole saw needs to be the same diameter as the dryer vent, of course (the total cost of the particle board, dryer vent/hose kit, and hole saw was less than $50). Once made, set in the window, spray booth turned on, it is virtually whisper quiet, totally vibration free as well.

The "proof is in the pudding" or so the saying goes! My downstairs neighbor is a neurotic older woman, who's very prone to complaining about the slightest thing--and guess what? She's got no clue that I shoot lacquer right over her head, she neither hears it, NOR smells it (If her nose picked up even a hint of paint smells, she'd be on me and the landlord in a NY minute, trust me!).

As for the "explosion proof" issue: Pace uses a squirrel cage blower, you know, the thingie with a rotating turbine that looks like the paddle wheel on the Delta Queen. This is the same type of blower that is used on EVERY gas furnace I have ever seen, and with it, the electric motor is ENTIRELY outside the stream of air (and whatever flammable fumes are in that stream of air), which makes it about as explosion proof as you can get.

In final analysis: I've been using my Pace Peacemaker (next to the largest size they make) for about 6 months now, and trust me, absolutely no paint fumes in the house, absolutely NO overspray dust (even used it when mixing and applying polyester--catalyzed putty--putty on a Moebius 55 Chrysler 300 to show the toolmakers what the roof contour needed to be--not even a hint of that "body shop smell"!). The price last February, was a sale price--Pace has been known to run specials from time to time--right at $250. However, bear in mind, Pace makes their booths in galvanized sheet metal, based around a common size HVAC filter, AND a top quality squirrel cage blower-----ONE TIME BUY that likely will outlive most any user of one. I for one trust that Peacemaker is the correct term--if it keeps my persnickety, crotchety old bat of a neighbor lady at bay, oblivious to my model car hobby, then in deed it will keep the peace.

Note: I do not work for Pace, nor do I work for anyone selling them--I AM MERELY A VERY HAPPY OWNER AND USER OF THEIR PRODUCT, and my endorsement of Pace spray booths is purely voluntary, based on ownership and use of one--OK?

Art

why did you quote my post ? i'm not sure what the point was... but thanks for contributing, we all want to learn as much as we can.

when discussing pressure ,vacuume and all the factors involved.. it can get quite complicated

couple that with the fact I'm a 28yr mechanical engineer.. I live for these discussions at work.

bottom line tho is I simply want something "safe" that pulls enough air ,that is not overkill ,, don't want to bring my daily work into the discussion.

but I will if someone wants to get down to the equations and factors... please, lets not go there.

model building is my getaway from work and the calculations I deal with on a daily basis.

I will probably get a Pace just for the simplicity of it and they look really nice.

[fumi]

For starters, I can't see how the particular spray booth in question here will do any more than remove the particulates (the solids in paint--the overspray droplets that dry into dust that settles everywhoere), while returning the air exhausted from the work area in front of the filter DIRECTLY back into the operators face.

I believe that flexible hose can be turned so that it doesn't point to the face of the user, and can extend to a nearby window for venting the fumes out?

[GeeBee]

I believe that flexible hose can be turned so that it doesn't point to the face of the user, and can extend to a nearby window for venting the fumes out?

It can, see the photo of mine, this was taken when it was new and un-used, the pipe can be simply popped out the window, and because of the design, the window only needs to be open around half and inch

[Art Anderson]

why did you quote my post ? i'm not sure what the point was... but thanks for contributing, we all want to learn as much as we can.

when discussing pressure ,vacuume and all the factors involved.. it can get quite complicated

couple that with the fact I'm a 28yr mechanical engineer.. I live for these discussions at work.

bottom line tho is I simply want something "safe" that pulls enough air ,that is not overkill ,, don't want to bring my daily work into the discussion.

but I will if someone wants to get down to the equations and factors... please, lets not go there.

model building is my getaway from work and the calculations I deal with on a daily basis.

I will probably get a Pace just for the simplicity of it and they look really nice.

No offense intended, but I do think sometimes that issues such as this can be over-engineered. To explain a bit here: I work a 'semi-retirement" job as the custodian in the building that houses Physical Facilities at a Big Ten University--engineers? We got 'em in spades there, Civil, Mechanical, Construction, you name it! I see and talk with (briefly of course) most of them as they come into work toward the end of my shift every morning. 3 of them work exclusively with fume hoods in the University's Chemistry and Chemical Engineering buildings (two Nobel Prize winning Chemists have graced those labs with their presence, BTW).

Now, I have the utmost respect for engineers--after all, that is what Purdue University is famous for. But, we aren't talking here about chemistry labs, nor are we talking about industrial situations (and yes, in my past life, I was the Personnel Director for a large Essex Wire "Wire Assembly Plant" (we made the world's largest automobile wiring harness back in the analog days, a 75lb harness for the dashboard of the Lincoln Continental Mk IV and Mk V--some 700 circuits, and had a very large "wire striping" operation, which forced me, as the plant's safety officer, to do a crash course in fire safety).

But I digress: Most of us modelers aren't so much concerned about fire safety as we are with getting the paint smell out of the house (or in my case, out of this apartment house, which has a common, central heating and AC system for all three apartments). I am more concerned with not making my co-tenants unhappy because I paint model cars in my apartment. Now that said, I am also concerned with fire safety, although I don't do anything that knowingly will cause a fire hazard (being a smoker, I do that outdoors only, NEVER inside). The other issue is the dust resulting from spray paint overspray--that stuff can get everywhere. Now, years ago, my parents never questioned that, I build models in the basement (albeit in the furnace room, with a red hot coal furnace to boot!), and my now ex-wife understood that, and she tolerated it as well. But I don't any longer.

My personal parameter is: I do not want even a hint of the smell of lacquer thinner in the air in my apartment, lest that filter downstairs to the older lady who can complain about anything, not the least of which is even a molecule of paint smell. And I do not want the overspray dust either.

To that end, one year ago, I sprang for the Pace Peacemaker booth I now use (and if anyone wants to know, I had not painted a single model car since early 2005, when I was in another apartment, used my old Badger spray booth (more an air extractor than a booth) hooked up to the dryer vent!

Even so, I don't want to do anything that would be a fire hazard in the least, so both the old Badger thingie, and this Pace were bought, simply because of their squirrel cage blowers--those are as explosion proof as explosion proof gets. But in the bottom line, it's the removal of the odors, and the elimination of overspray paint dust that personally I want--I hated cleaning that stuff up as a kid, when I used to use rattle cans of Pactra Candy Colors in the furnace room of my parent's house.

But, in the end, all "engineering" aside, it's the final outcome that works for me--I chose to let first Badger, and now Pace, do that for me, and I think with great results. I met Mr Pace personally at the IPMS Roscoe Turner Contest last February in Indy, when I took delivery on the Peacemaker--that guy knows what he speaks of (and he's a sheet metal guy, not a degreed engineer, BTW) and his products speak for themselves.

Again, not trying to denigrate engineers, nor their profession, but sometimes "engineering" can get in the way of reality, in the way of reason--and from all the discussions of model spray booths both in this forum, and the others I frequent, that is my opinion. Let's face it, folks, sometimes, good old Anerican "Shade Tree" Engineering has it's value, and with some deference to the best types of electric motors, and the best types of blowers, I think that still holds very true.

Art

[Art Anderson]

My Pace Setup!

In this, you can clearly see the "plug" made for the window, which holds a dryer vent outlet, and the dryer hose attached to it (the other end of the dryer hose is clamped to the outlet on the squirrel cage blower atop the spray booth)

Art

[Art Anderson]

I believe that flexible hose can be turned so that it doesn't point to the face of the user, and can extend to a nearby window for venting the fumes out?

However, in say, winter, who wants that huge cold draft coming in through an open window? Hmmm? See my post above, showing how I handled it.

Art

[GeeBee]

I wish I had room for a spraybooth as big as that !!

[Harry P.]

I've looked at it in the past and was interested until I came to this part.

"Not intented for use with hazardous materials, flammable or explosive paints or materials."

I don't think I'd be comfortable using a spray booth that had to have that warning plastered on it!