Hybrid goes racing.

[SuperStockAndy]

Now that there is funny.

/sarcasm

[Scale-Master]

I fail to see why everyone says I know it all.

If I knew it all, I wouldn't be in this argument right now.

How did this thread get brought up again anyway?

Well, since you asked... People think you are a know-it-all because you respond to nearly every post acting like you have answers to their questions, often you are wrong with what you respond with. Then you argue the point as if you actually knew what you were talking about. (Many of us can see you clearly don't.)

Know-it-all's are always getting into arguments because they don't know what they think they know, and they don't even know what they don't know. That is how you got in this discussion, but I would not be surprised to see you attempt to escalate it into an argument.

How did it get brought up? You keep bringing it up by posting incorrect info as if you know what is factual, and then you get corrected, and have to try to sound relevent with another post made of probably just parroted "opinions".

[Scale-Master]

Now that there is funny.

/sarcasm

Insulting is more like it. No sarcasm intended.

And you wonder how it gets brought up...? Now I am sure about the mass solidity of the brick as it correlates to previously discussed grey matter.

[Scale-Master]

Andy Conn (Possible Poser)

Die hard Ignorant 13 year old Know-it-all that clearly doesn't.

[SuperStockAndy]

Andy, i went back looking for the thread where i'd remembered you doing a little "ranting". these are your words that i've copied to this thread from that other one.

"I just can't finish a build! I honestly don't know what I'm doing wrong. I paint all my parts, and assemble them as I go. Then after getting mad and boxing it, I only come back to find the same problem. It's a dumb question I know, it's just really bothering me. "

"It's because I'll spend a bunch of time assembling something, then step back and it seems I haven't made any progress. I also lose my temper very easily so I'm sure that doesn't help."

based off of those two statements i get the strong impression that you are undoubtedlty a part of that "instant gratification" generation that wants what you want like yesterday. i can remember a point in time too when you built at least two models that turned out pretty nice for someone your age, then nothing but hot air from you since. you and another young member here recently both got the same kit, he's finished his and quite nicely at that, where are you with yours?

A LOT less talk and A LOT more action is what i'd like to see out of you. put your money where your mouth is and build something

Ummmm??? What does that have to do with ANYTHING? And I'm not part of that "instant gratification" thing. And thank you for the compliment in there. I still do building, but none seem to get finished. And I saw that Liam finished his. Looks very nice to say the least. Mine, I've got the engine about done, just haven't gotten around to taking more pictures.

And I also need paint; since I can't order it, I have to wait until my parents have time...

Andy Conn (Possible Poser)

Die hard Ignorant 13 year old Know-it-all that clearly doesn't.

I'm posing as WHO?

And what did I ever do you??? That's what I want to know.

Edited January 26, 2012 by SuperStockAndy

[Scale-Master]

If you feel you have to put "not a know it all like some claim I am" under your avatar, shouldn't you also wonder why so many people tell you they think you are one?

[SuperStockAndy]

No, people just simply get the wrong idea.

And I suck at math, which you would not expect from a "know it all"

[Rob Hall]

No, people just simply get the wrong idea.

And I suck at math, which you would not expect from a "know it all"

Then it sounds like you need to concentrate harder on math in school...

[001slick001]

I'm thinking Andy is home schooled

[Joe Handley]

Your thinking is right August, he is.

[Swifster]

The Pinto and Vega were garbage. Vegas rusted as they moved down the assembly line. All FOUR companies in the 1970's brought stuff out way to early. Pintos exploded. Vega engines failed well within the warranty period, and then failed some more while the fenders rusted to nothing. The smallest car Chrysler made were Volare and Aspen, and the fenders rotted away to nothing.

Of course everyone who had a Honda (Toyota, Nissan, Subaru) looks at this time with rose colored glasses. They fail to remember how many rotted to nothing (how many do you see today?). Chrysler did rather well in the 80's and 90's until MB forgot how to build cars. GM was run by a bunch of bean counters. Roger Smith's brand management failure almost killed GM in the early 90's.

And the US government let Honda, Nissan and Toyota dump Acuras, Infinitis and Lexus cars and trucks here at big losses. Hard to compete when Toyota is GIVING away Lexus cars ($10K discounts) to get their foot in the door.

As for Japanese taxes, someone needs to recheck their facts. Japan taxes their cars based on engine sizes. So if you don't sell a 660cc powered car, you get hammered. How many 660cc powered cars do the Big 3 make?

"Furthermore, there is an annual automobile tax, which depends on the engine size and is typically between 10,000 and 50,000 Yen, and an acquisition tax to be paid when you buy the car."

By the time Japan stopped building utter c r a p, alone came the Koreans. Can anyone tell me if they have ever seen a Hyundai Excel move under it's own power? I saw two and totaled both of them.

Having Mercedes parts in your car isn't necessarily a benefit. Check out a Consumer Reports on 1995-2005 Mercedes products. A lot of failures. And while Fiat platforms haven't been used under a Chrysler product until the Dart, who do you think paid for the interior changes over the last 3 years? The Italians did something the Germans never did. They invested in product. The Chrysler 200 vs the Chrysler Sebring is a great example of this. The upgrades to the Avenger is another example. The government funds didn't cover all of this.

GM attempted change their culture before the 'bailout' and simply ran out of capital before they were done. Bob Lutz was brought in to reorganize the automotive end. Maximum Bob was responsible for the Pontiac Solstice, G8 and Saturn Aura (2007 CoY). Notice the problem with those three cars? The time to build a car was drastically cut. The government screwed with GM anyway. You don't think GM cutting Pontiac vs Buick in the states wasn't a middle finger pointed at D.C.? The mileage of the vehicles made by Pontiac was higher than those made by Buick.

The Big 3 have been forced to sell cars no one wants (tiny small Europen type cars) when outside of New York, none of the US cities have skinny little European roads. Who wants to drive from NY to San Francisco in a Fiat 500 vs say that C300. On a nice long trip, I'd take the Chrysler any day. I probably drive more than anyone on this board (35K a year). My Caliber is almost claustrophobic. And even with 155HP, it feels under powered. Hybrids do nothing in Florida except get in the way of traffic.

[moparmagiclives]

By the time Japan stopped building utter c r a p, alone came the Koreans. Can anyone tell me if they have ever seen a Hyundai Excel move under it's own power? I saw two and totaled both of them.

Having Mercedes parts in your car isn't necessarily a benefit. Check out a Consumer Reports on 1995-2005 Mercedes products. A lot of failures. And while Fiat platforms haven't been used under a Chrysler product until the Dart, who do you think paid for the interior changes over the last 3 years? The Italians did something the Germans never did. They invested in product. The Chrysler 200 vs the Chrysler Sebring is a great example of this. The upgrades to the Avenger is another example. The government funds didn't cover all of this.

I've seen quite a few hyundais move under their own power, as a matter of fact so have you, where do you think part of the development for the World engine came from in your Caliber...and wait, theres more. FIAT is chucking the cvt (which by the way is japanese and works very well) in your caliber and will use a.....wait for it...a HYUNDAI 6 speed for the new small car segmant. Oh my !!!

I'm not sure how changing the interior trim and fancy lighting has made Chrysler such a dependable product now. I'm not arguing that Diamler soaked Chrysler for the last penny, thats big buisness, but the products they shared with them was quite an improvement over what they had I feel.....i take that back, the ideas the shared was an improvement..the Chrysler R&D still gave it there touch.

Anyone familure with the 300/Charger/Magnum leaky valvebody connector? that same part on a MB made transmssion..never leaks. We try and copy it, every 20lk miles we were changing those stupid things.

[Swifster]

I'm aware where the engine was designed. You left out Mitsubishi as this is also the same engine as the Lancer.

Chrysler was no where close to having replacement products (except for the Grand Cherokee/Durango). Ceberus put little to no money in product. MB did no favors either. Would you have brought out the Caliber? It was uncompetitive when it hit the market. CFhrysler would have been better off continuing the Neon for the last 6 years. That car was an MB production. Funny how the ball joints in Charger/300/Challengers last longer than 20,000 miles after Fiat management started investing.

As for the Hyundai, I asked about the Excel. Both Kia and Hyundai built nothing but garbage when they started here.

You can lay the Chrysler portion of the bailout right at Mercedes feet. GM was a complete management meltdown. No other way to explain the demise of Oldsmobile and Pontiac. Buy Saab didn't help them either.

[fumi]

As for Japanese taxes, someone needs to recheck their facts. Japan taxes their cars based on engine sizes. So if you don't sell a 660cc powered car, you get hammered. How many 660cc powered cars do the Big 3 make?

"Furthermore, there is an annual automobile tax, which depends on the engine size and is typically between 10,000 and 50,000 Yen, and an acquisition tax to be paid when you buy the car."

That registration tax is not designed to thwart foreign cars, it applies to everyone including Japanese makers.

So the Big 3 don't make any kei cars, they don't have to compete in that market. GM is already selling the Sonic in Japan, it is in the same tax class as the Fit, the Yaris and the Mazda 2, there is no additional penalty for it. Whether the Japanese would choose it over the competitors is another question.

Besides, 50,000 yen is around $650 US. It is not really a lot of money compared to the overall cost of owning a car.

[moparmagiclives]

I'm aware where the engine was designed. You left out Mitsubishi as this is also the same engine as the Lancer.

Chrysler was no where close to having replacement products (except for the Grand Cherokee/Durango). Ceberus put little to no money in product. MB did no favors either. Would you have brought out the Caliber? It was uncompetitive when it hit the market. CFhrysler would have been better off continuing the Neon for the last 6 years. That car was an MB production. Funny how the ball joints in Charger/300/Challengers last longer than 20,000 miles after Fiat management started investing.

As for the Hyundai, I asked about the Excel. Both Kia and Hyundai built nothing but garbage when they started here.

You can lay the Chrysler portion of the bailout right at Mercedes feet. GM was a complete management meltdown. No other way to explain the demise of Oldsmobile and Pontiac. Buy Saab didn't help them either.

I left out Mitsubishi becsuse you didn't mention them, and for being uncompetitive there sure are a lot of calibers on the road. Don't you own one? Ive never once seen the need to change a ball joint on an lx body car. The only thing I've seen on the back end so far is fiat pushing magnety marrelli parts down our throat. They do have a very strong force for product training, but that's on a corp level. I seen a lot of these changes planned and put into motion way before fiat signed papers, stuff like what's happening right now doesn't happen over night. And the new pentastar v6 that's in all of fiats new chryslers, still Daimler technology.