moparmagiclives Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 On 1/28/2012 at 10:00 PM, Scale-Master said: This is where put up or shut up might be an appropriate response. Show us what you have built sans instructions, like you could prove it... I don't have any pics on this computer... But his name is Mason, and he will be 8 in may.
bigphoto Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 I use them if it is a vehicle I am not familiar with otherwise an occasional glance. But lets for the sake of newcomers to the hobby say please follow the instructions as it will help familiarize you with the hobby. On 1/27/2012 at 12:31 PM, Dr. Cranky said: Instructions? What instructions? :lol: Thats the piece of paper that falls out of the box that Eyegore piddles on
Harry P. Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 On 1/28/2012 at 9:59 PM, Scale-Master said: I broke quite few heads off the screws, not the best stock... When I unbuilt something, I'd use fresh hardware to reassemble, they do give extras. Two months treating it like a full time job with overtime. Had a blast! Pocher screws are notoriously weak, really poor quality metal. I ream out all screw holes first; trying to drive a Pocher screw into the hole by force will snap the head off way too often. Glad to hear you had fun building yours. They really are a challenge... and a whole lot of fun.
SuperStockAndy Posted January 29, 2012 Author Posted January 29, 2012 Dave, I already said I haven't built one without instructions, but I'm up for the challenge Although I don't have any sealed kits...I've pretty much looked at all the instructions..
SuperStockAndy Posted January 29, 2012 Author Posted January 29, 2012 The main thing is meant is for BUILDING, not painting, though
Junkman Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 For Pocher kits there are DVDs and downloads out there that supersede the instructions delivered with the kits. Not many of us ordinary mortals will ever come into contact with a Pocher kit. As for my old Jo-Hans, I can happily do without instructions, thank you. For the Revell Routemaster I read them already, looked at the parts, and it's gonna be likely a very collectible kit in 40 years hence.
Junkman Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) On 1/28/2012 at 7:10 PM, Scale-Master said: Regarding the question about foreign kit instructions in English. International instructions using symbols have been around for decades. A legend explaining the different symbols in many languages is provided as a key. I wish sometimes the companies all agreed on what those symbols should be, some are rather abstract. Also, often a sheet for English will be done up by a foreign company since it is a common language. The newer Japanese kits I was referring to took this one step further. They do not contain any text at all, not even to explain the symbols. They are explained with pictograms and little comic strips. The Japanese developed the art, to make themselves understood worldwide without using any text at all. It's brilliant. I have to dig one up tomorrow and post the instruction sheet. Edited January 29, 2012 by Junkman
Scale-Master Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) On 1/29/2012 at 1:18 AM, DoubleD said: interesting that you say that. you started this thread and claimed that you didn't use the instructions, then at some point agreed with someone else in that they were a good "reference". nice back pedaling there but it doesn't help your cause, whatever it is remember, next time you paint the floor, start in the corner and work your way to the door Andy has never found a subject he won't be on both sides of once he starts showing his ignorance. Absolutely has to have the last word too... No matter how irrelevant it is... Edited January 30, 2012 by Scale-Master
moparmagiclives Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 On 1/29/2012 at 1:43 AM, Junkman said: The newer Japanese kits I was referring to took this one step further. They do not contain any text at all, not even to explain the symbols. They are explained with pictograms and little comic strips. The Japanese developed the art, to make themselves understood worldwide without using any text at all. It's brilliant. I have to dig one up tomorrow and post the instruction sheet. Mopar started that with the factory accessories a few years ago. Not to bad for the most part, but a little of a pain to work the wireing part of it when its just an arrow pointing at a 28 pin connector and the "splice" symbol next to it ..
SuperStockAndy Posted January 30, 2012 Author Posted January 30, 2012 On 1/30/2012 at 7:45 PM, Wheelman said: HAHAHAHA ?
Scale-Master Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 On 1/30/2012 at 8:04 PM, SuperStockAndy said: ? I think he is laughing at your irrelevant comment. Prove me wrong, refrain from posting the last word...
Harry P. Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 You hang up. No, you hang up. No, YOU hang up.
moparmagiclives Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 I was working on my DOH Charger last night for Dr.'s Zombie group and noticed that I'm about 90% done with paint and sub assemblies, and had yet to open the instruction sheet. I was feeling a little stoked of what I had done, until I realized what a ###### kit this is and that my two year old girl could probly manage to assemble the exhaust/axle/spring assembly to the frame/floor/front suspension pan and have the complete under car all done. Man what a basic design. BUT..... as I was assembling the roll cage to rust up and finish the interior, I noticed that the upper bars that make the hoop could go either way, so to try and stay some what acurate, I cracked that baby open and there it was..the CORRECT way to assemble the roll bar. In black and white. Then I had to go back over just to make sure I hadnt missed anything in my haste to start building ...I swear even the drawing in the instructions show all the flashing on this thing..
SuperStockAndy Posted January 30, 2012 Author Posted January 30, 2012 I still remain confused as to why I'm always getting picked on. You guys do know that that stuff doesn't hurt me, right? Is it because of my age? And it all started not too long ago. When this thread first started, SOMEONE came in and just HAD to start the drama again. Oh look, what's that? Another person who joined him. Since then, there have been very little GOOD posts in this thread. Seems most people are just cheering the people who start the fights. Of course though, that's coming from a dumb 13 year old who doesn't know anything.
Roadkill2525 Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 On 1/30/2012 at 8:24 PM, martinfan5 said: No, who's on third? Who's on first, What's is on second and I Don't Know is on third.
Scale-Master Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) On 1/30/2012 at 9:52 PM, Wheelman said: Just let it go. It's not always about you, Andy. If it is not about him, he wants it to be. Then he'll threaten to "report" anyone who doesn't put up with his antics. Want to throw another last word in here Andy? And as I recall, the drama was started by your attitude. For what it is worth, I have had many laughs from reading this thread. If it bothers you so much Andy, why not lock it down again? Edited January 30, 2012 by Scale-Master
bbowser Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 On 1/28/2012 at 5:20 PM, moparmagiclives said: This may sound a little stupid to some, but I feel that all the time I spent as a little kid staring at the exploded view instructions really helped me to understand how real vehicles worked and went together. I really noticed it when I went to school for it and was able to process the repair manuals pretty easily. Kinda funny how that works, I never gave it much thought until now. This is a great point! Learning the names of the various parts and where they locate on the vehicle really helped me back in the day. Of course, not all instructions call-out the parts by name.
JollySipper Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Andy, I recently finished a '66 Batmobile and was so proud of how I thought it was going to turn out that I rushed and glued the frame to the body without routing the exhaust thru the body first. I then had to cut the exhaust apart and run them thru the top. What could have been a clean build turned into something that I'll never be as proud of as I would if I had only double-checked the instructions.
LoneWolf15 Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 I do use the instructions , both as a paint guide / what goes where , and to follow along as I build. Back in the day , the AMT kits could be built pretty much without them . Revell , IMC , etc , not so much as they were a bit more detailed . With the advent of these larger parts count kits , it should be a necessity ! Looked over the new Hudson kit instructions while I was prepping the kit for paint , definite need for instructions here . Once you've built 5 or 6 of a particular kit , then the instructions can be used for nefarious purposes ! Cigar , anyone ? lol! To each their own , I believe that using the instructions makes for a better model . If not for anything else , it helps for parts identification when kit bashing on future builds .
JollySipper Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 Doc, you keep things lite and fun and thats very cool! just a quick question, have you written any books on modeling? If so where could I find a copy? That would be instructions worth a read!
Keef Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 On 1/31/2012 at 2:55 AM, JollySipper said: Doc, you keep things lite and fun and thats very cool! just a quick question, have you written any books on modeling? If so where could I find a copy? That would be instructions worth a read! Really????
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