Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Folks, I am writing this in hopes that I can convince the powers that be into creating a new category on the forum dedicated to an ALL RUST section (LONG LIVE RUST!), a place where we can showcase not only daily drivers, junkers, beaters, and rat rods, but also categories like STEAM PUNK, FUTURISTIC, and yes, POST APOCALYPTIC. Zombies are always just around the corner. The TZH SQUAD community build has shown that there's an IMMENSE interest in such builds. Now if we bring in those folks who are interested in weathering and rat rods and all the other categories mentioned above, I think we'd have another wonderful place to visit on the forum. Any type of build that employs weathering and rusting from mild to extreme. I believe the interest is very much there, and I would personally love to see our own section. When I say "we," of course, I mean all those here who are interested in such vehicles. I think having such a section on the forum will signify that such work is not only appreciated but also an integral part of the hobby. I would love to hear opinions about this from everyone. AND, please, PLEASE, let's keep the discussion clean and civil. The idea behind this post is simply to start a discussion about what such a section would include. No section on this forum is any more or any less important than any other, but some do get more traffic than others. I am merely trying to get everyone who is interested on the same page. Edited February 1, 2012 by Dr. Cranky
Rob McKee Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 I would 2nd your idea Doc. I haven't built a rusted ride yet but I have admired the detail and effort people have put into them. One day I'll give it a try. Rob
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 Thanks, Rob, I appreciate your input.
ZombieHunter26 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 I would be willing to help moderate this section, doc!
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 Rob, it's not up to me who decides on moderators. I think that task belongs to Gregg and the other moderators already. Dave, the only problem with the "barn" idea is that I think this section could use some sub-categories, etc . . . Thanks for keeping the conversation going, folks.
Casey Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 6:36 PM, Dr. Cranky said: Dave, the only problem with the "barn" idea is that I think this section could use some sub-categories, etc . . . I think Dave may have forgotten to add this after that line: Yes, the apocalytic stuff is the flavor fo the month now, so I don't see any harm in adding a specifc section for it. The CB thread has 80 pages alone, so like it or not, the traffic volume is there. That said, I think the whole forum could use a re-organization, or at least some consolidation and addition of a few new sub-categories, as Dave hinted at...but I'll leave that topic to Harry, as I'm sure he remembers how that topic went the last time. Ultimately, it's Gregg's decision to organize the forum as he wishes, and we all have to respect that, whether or not we agree with it. Everyone always has the option of starting their own forum if they think they can do better or want to do things differently.
Jairus Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Does a "trend" deserve it's own section? Should we have one for "Pro-Street" and one for "Street Rods" too? How tall do you want the home page to be anyway? It's all modeling and everyone can learn from the techniques. Why be a divider V, when you can be a unifier! Just my two cents.
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 Casey, I agree with you that this is up to Gregg and moderators. Also their focus is on keeping the forum viewer-friendly, inviting and well organized. The post apocalyptic stuff (and I disagree with your assessment that it might be a flavor of them month) has been around now--and gaining strength--for a few years. Of course, people end up calling this type of build a variety of things . . . like WW3, Armageddon, and even FUTURISTIC. I think the model car hobby (just like with read vehicles) is getting an energy boost from the world of rat rods, suede, and other finishes that are not shiny or custom. Anyway, the conversation has been started and I hope there will be a positive outcome and that everyone interested will benefit.
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 6:50 PM, Jairus said: Does a "trend" deserve it's own section? Should we have one for "Pro-Street" and one for "Street Rods" too? How tall do you want the home page to be anyway? It's all modeling and everyone can learn from the techniques. Why be a divider V, when you can be a unifier! Just my two cents. Oh no, no, J, I'm not trying to divide at all, I'm just trying to get the stuff recognized and legitimazed.
Guest Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 No offence Virgil,but I would rather see the rusted, weathered vehicles in the same category as the rest. Otherwise,I would probably miss 90% of them. I think the forum has too many categories as is. Adding another one for rusted/weathered/post apocolyptic vehicles would be over the top in my opinion. I don't think a seperate section would give more exposure to them. More than likely,they would get less. It sure seems that way with the pickup,SUV and non commercial section. I don't think each genre of build deserves it's own section. With the forum didvided up like it is,it's like every one has their own little "club" and if you're not a member,you're not welcome. I'm not saying that that's the way it is,just seems that way. I think you would miss out on inspiring others if you form your own little group. Just my two cents...
SuperStockAndy Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 6:33 PM, DoubleD said: SURE! right after they combine the drag racing and NASCAR section into one "racecars" section and bring back the "rants and raves" or you could just set up your own "barn" in the General section, worked for that other guy................................ Eh, I personally think it would be a bit boggled up. And the last part, LOL!!!!
Casey Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 6:53 PM, Dr. Cranky said: The post apocalyptic stuff (and I disagree with your assessment that it might be a flavor of them month) has been around now--and gaining strength--for a few years. Of course, people end up calling this type of build a variety of things . . . like WW3, Armageddon, and even FUTURISTIC. Remember how popular NASCAR racing and NASCAR models were a decade ago? You could buy a kit or decals for just about every car from every race and they were everywhere. Now, look at the NASCAR section here. Not much traffic. I'm not knocking the steampunk/apoc/futuristic genre, but like rat rods, pro street, rusty bare metal hoods, and neon accessories, things tend to lose populartiy in time, but if a forum is fluid and changes to match te usage of its members, I see no problem with adding new categories and deleting or consolidating others.
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 Perhaps the larger umbrella or category here really is WEATHERING instead of just RUST alone. I am in agreement that the forum should not be any longer than it already is, but I think some of the sections could be combined and then sub categories added inside the divisions. But let me be clear, I am neither trying to start trouble or create more work for the already over-worked moderating team.
Kit Basher Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 As Dave mentioned about small trucks, the effect might be to reduce exposure for those builds. I seldom look at categories that don't interest me, but I look at almost everything in "On the Workbench", and "Under Glass".
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 7:33 PM, DoubleD said: a "weathered" models section may be more appropriate but then i weather most of what i build to show use and add realism. it's most times very subtle but quite effective. i've been after combining the drag and NASCAR sections into one "racecars" section that covers all types of racing vehicles for some time, that request always seems to fall on deaf ears however. i don't think there is a need to separate the two and i think those two sections leave no place for racing vehicles of other kinds besides those two. i also don't really see the point or need for a separate section for small trucks. since that has been put into place i tend to look at much less of those models then i used to because i rarely travel down to that section of the forums. Dave, I think this is the kind of constructive restructuring that might benefit the forum and possible make it better organized. We can also do something about the TRADES & WANTED sections and WHERE'S WALDO, etc . . .
Roadkill2525 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 More like Suarez wants us to drink the kool aide so he can eventually ascend to being an admin.
Jantrix Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 7:47 PM, Roadkill2525 said: More like Suarez wants us to drink the kool aide so he can eventually ascend to being an admin. Nah, admin cuts into building time. I do think a weathered section would be fine but it would not really improve anything for me. I generally use the View New Content button and check out most everything. I daresay I'm not the only one.
Scale-Master Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 7:33 PM, DoubleD said: a "weathered" models section may be more appropriate but then i weather most of what i build to show use and add realism. it's most times very subtle but quite effective. I'm with you on that. Well done weathering often goes unnoticed, as it should. Not sure we need need an additional category, but I guess it would make sense too those who like to post multiple times. Hey, it's a NASCAR, and it's on the bench, and I made it look like it ran through the infield! A trifecta. What if it's a Supertruck? Quadfecta? Here's an idea. Why not put the zombies, punks and rats in the barn and mix up a big pitcher of Kool-Aid for the party? Win-win.
Ramfins59 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 I agree with Jantrix here. A weathering section might not be a bad idea, but I generally "View New Content" when I sign on and check out almost everything that has been posted since my last visit.
Harry P. Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 In my opinion the forum needs a pretty major reworking. I agree with Dave, a separate NASCAR section seems unneccessary, I agree we need just one race section, with specific sub-sections. What I would like to see is a reshuffling of the major categories, and either deleting or combining several of the sub-sections. And I would have no problem with a new "Weathering" category. The interest does seem o be there. We went through this debate a while ago, and I posted my idea of how the site ahould be arranged. This is how I would do things: GENERAL (same as what we have now) MODEL CARS • Under Glass-All categories of CARS • In Progress: Stock, Street, Show, Custom • In Progress: Competition (Drag, NASCAR, F1, Indy, etc.) • Kit News, Reviews, and Opinions • 1/1 Car Reference Photos MODEL TRUCKS • Under Glass-All categories of TRUCKS • In Progress: Big Rig, Heavy Commercial, Police, Fire, Emergency • In Progress: Pickups, SUVs, Light Commercial • Kit News, Reviews and Opinions • 1/1 Truck Reference Photos OTHER MODELS • Diecast • Large Scale (1/20 and up) • Dioramas • All the rest (planes, military, figures, paper models, etc.) THE HOBBY ROOM • Tips, Tricks & Tutorials • How Do I...? • Resin & Aftermarket COMMUNITY • Auto Art • Community Builds • Clubs, Contests, Shows & Events • Real or Model/Auto ID • Swap, Trade or Free • Wanted • Links, Advertisers & Web Sites MODEL CAR RACING
moparmagiclives Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Keep the work bench and list the vehicles as they would be at some of the bigger shows/contests ? Is there normaly a "weathered" build class, or do thay lump those into dios? Are all the race cars lumped onto one table? I think you could thin it down a little more Harry and list all the reviews under the hobby room.
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 7:47 PM, Roadkill2525 said: More like Suarez wants us to drink the kool aide so he can eventually ascend to being an admin. LOL, Michael--and how do you know that I am not already an Administrator? Has anyone ever seen Gregg & Doctor Cranky in the same room together? They both live on an island and sped their days on a hammock in the shade of coconut palm trees, getting fed grapes by talking parrots.
Harry P. Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 8:46 PM, Wheelman said: That's great harry - now combine the Cars & Trucks together - & it's perfect. I think we have a pretty big group of guys that built pretty much trucks only... so it makes sense (to me) to have a separate truck section... just to keep the cars and trucks separate and easier for truck builders to find the trucks, and guys not into trucks to not have to wade through a bunch of truck posts when they're not interested in trucks.
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 Harry, I like this layout. It seems to be more streamline. And NO, Michael, I have no agenda or alterior motive for wanting to do this . . . just trying to have a better, more inclusive forum that runs like clockwork. No Koolaid, just lots of Scrapple Sandwiches! :lol:
Harry P. Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 8:47 PM, moparmagiclives said: Keep the work bench and list the vehicles as they would be at some of the bigger shows/contests ? Is there normaly a "weathered" build class, or do thay lump those into dios? Are all the race cars lumped onto one table? I think you could thin it down a little more Harry and list all the reviews under the hobby room. Because we have a big group of guys who build pretty much trucks only, I think keeping the car and truck kits separated makes sense. Makes it easier to either find (or avoid!) a review, depending on your own personal building preferences. Believe me, guys... I've actually put some thought into my revision. There will never be just one absolutely correct way to arrange the site that will make everyone happy...that's just impossible to do. But I think my outline works well for the most members. It's broken down into logical categories, it'll make the main page shorter (less scrolling needed!) and it makes stuff easier to find (or easier to avoid, depending on what you personally are interested in... or not!)
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