1/16th TDR Camaro Pro Mod and Dirt Modeler mock up

[comp1839]

rom, what they are talking about is a different process than what i went through. they can literally scan a body into the computer and then manipulate that image. i went through the process of having it drawn up in 3-d from measurements. which means the camaro is a fresh entity. it is not a direct copy of anyones pro mod camaro. scanning is truly duplicating the piece you are scanning. i don't know what laws can come into effect here but, my thoughts would be that you are treading on thin ice as far as copyright laws are concearned. i also have no idea as to the cost of having something scanned.

[eviltwincustoms]

Interesting, maybe Tim will stop in and provide us with some insight... If not maybe I will reach out to him and see what exactly it entails.

[stump]

Jealous much.....?? Yeessss !

Chuck, the mock up pics alone won my heart here.......

Dirtmodellers parts look amazing too, may need some of those should I tread this 1/16 path.......

I'm so pleased you and Rom have landed these safely. Both builds will be a joy to follow.

[jmpsebring]

With all of the talk about the body, nobody is talking about the P/E parts. On another thread, it was brought up to design parts that go with parts. Here's a perfect example. The rear plates for the Promod axles are simply too small to be useful as plates. Simple as that. They need to be at least 1/3 larger to work. Such a same. They are stunning parts for sure. I was thrilled to get them. Maybe if they were 1/12th they would work on a 1/16 chassis? I hope they correct it. I bring this up so they at least know about it. Are they meant to be used on a small axle? I hope they didn't invest too much money. We need to slow down and douple check things. before they go into production. Please let me know if I'm wrong about the size.

production.

Edited March 12, 2012 by jmpsebring

[eviltwincustoms]

Yep but those I don't think were meant for the Mark Williams rear end to begin with. And that Flashpoint MW rear end housing is sitting in my scrap pile after getting the one from TDR.

I think, I have either rebuilt or repurchased everything I have purchased from FP Motorsports.

[DirtModeler]

With all of the talk about the body, nobody is talking about the P/E parts. On another thread, it was brought up to design parts that go with parts. Here's a perfect example. The rear plates for the Promod axles are simply too small to be useful as plates. Simple as that. They need to be at least 1/3 larger to work. Such a same. They are stunning parts for sure. I was thrilled to get them. Maybe if they were 1/12th they would work on a 1/16 chassis? I hope they correct it. I bring this up so they at least know about it. Are they meant to be used on a small axle? I hope they didn't invest too much money. We need to slow down and douple check things. before they go into production. Please let me know if I'm wrong about the size.

Thanks for the input. I want this kind of feedback, and hope nobody will worry about hurting my feelings with the feedback.

The axle holes are definitely undersized. I had made a choice to make them undersized by design as all of the feedback i had received up to the release of the artwork was that having them undersized so they could be drilled out was ideal for everyone. As a result i'd made a decision to size them for a 1/8" tube and call it good.

It was something that just made sense to me from how I build my cars. The Dirt Cars i build have working suspension, and i use a step system on the axle to lock the mounts in place. Stepping down from a larger diameter tube to a smaller one where the suspension mounts ride.. and back up on the other side. It creates a channel that keeps everything in place.

If the overall size of the part isn't correct.... Then the demand for parts isn't true 1:16th scale, and some odd hybrid of 1:16th scale?

I based the overall drawings from MFG's websites own dimension drawings, like:

http://www.rjracecar...6-Prodview.html

It's an important topic to nail down, because if these cars aren't in 1:16th scale, then what scale are they?

I prefer not to move off the path of true scale, because true scale is a language anyone can speak. When parts begin to be based on someone else's work, rather then the real-deal, you move farther and farther off the scale path. I need confidence that when i find a dimension drawing of a part, or measure a real part, i don't have to make an adjustment to match (insert other guy's part here).

Edited March 13, 2012 by DirtModeler

[eviltwincustoms]

You make a very valid point. However the link provided isn't the proper 4link bracket for a Mark Williams housing. In turn the measurements wouldn't be accurate even in 1/16th scale. That style of bracket is more for the modified 9" rear end, like Dave is building in his thread.

[comp1839]

what you have here is exactly what you have in real life. first you are comparing 2 different manufacturers 4 link housing brackets against each other. they aren't the same type of rear first. the mark williams shown is a modular housing. the bracket for it should be showing holes for the bolts that clamp it sandwich style between the hub and the housing . while the bracket for the modular rear isn't totally correct, you still can't compare it to a weld up style bracket, which is what dirt modeller has duplicated.

even weld up style brackets are manufactured for 3 different tube sizes. 3", 3 1/4", and 3 1/2" diameter axle tubes are out there. even the placement of the four link mounting holes are different from the same manufacturer sometimes. also shock mounting and sway bar mounting holes vary. if you want parts to follow what's really out there. then, we all have to make sure we understand how it really works out there.

i agree 100% that these guys that manufacture parts need to do their homework. they should be selling as accurrate part as they can. we, as buyers, have to make sure we follow the same knowledge guidelines we hold the manufaturer to.

searching the internet and asking questions is the best way to find out the answer.

[jmpsebring]

If you are selling these and they are scaled up from those drawings then they at least fit some rear end in scale. Perhaps the rear end is all wrong. Could easily be the case. I have to go to work see ya in the morning. I'll take more photos. So if one has the TDR part as well, how much smaller is it? The problem I see is not how tall or the axle hole size, it's overall radius of the area around the hole in the plate and diameter of the Axle's end cap. It dwarfs the part. If fact it's bigger than the wide part of the plate much less the axle's reamed hole area. I'm not bitter about the money at all. I just was hoping to get great parts that can be used.

[jmpsebring]

Since Dirtmodeler was able to get actual drawings and they were turned into 1/16th scale, I will retract my statement and just say it does not fit the Marc Williams rear end. While I do think most would buy those to use on that rear, it's certainly a valid part for other versions.....

It also means that 'someone' could offer plates that fit the larger rear end.

[comp1839]

jack, you ordered parts that aren't compatitble. the mark williams rear is a modular design. it bolts together. the 4 link plates you ordered are for a fabricated (welded rear). the two parts aren't compatible 1:1. they aren't compatible in 1:16. to put it into perspective, you're trying to put a small block ford head onto a big block chevy block. sure it's cyl. head. it's just the wrong cyl. head. your plates are 4 link plates. just for the wrong rear.

this is what your 4 link bracket should look like for the MW 11" modular unit.

[jmpsebring]

thank you! I'm going to build a curbside Willy's with only the nose removable. The William's rear will go into that. I just ordered the complete 1/16 4-link from TDR. It looks more accurate and it's not much money. Did you design it? That will go into my Andy McCoy/ Hamstra style, full detail Duster. Gota battle all those Camaros next season

While I have alot of years around Porsche prototypes, my only real expieriece of PROMODs consist of some 1/16th threads here, google and two weekends at Bud's Creek during a PROMOD meet.

Again....My mistake.

I went look'n for PROJACK images today......pretty cool

[comp1839]

thanks but, no, i didn't design the TDR 11" rear. so you "understand" that even buying another 11" rear, those photo etch brackets won't fit?

they are intended for a rear like this. this is a fabricated ford 9".

hope this helps.

[jmpsebring]

Cool photos! I'm aware that they will be too small. But they might be great generic brackets for something on my 1950 White COE custom chassis in 1/24th! Parts is parts... and I have two sets. The 1/16th TDR version has plates and a flat plate printed should come out just fine. Maybe I'll make them look anodized or something. Maybe I'll make a scale tracing and send it to the P/E gods. The more we chip in together in the design, the more they will fit the needs of the modeler.

We have crushed this thread into a whole new direction. Sorry Ratnasty....but it was a thread showing new products.

[comp1839]

my apologies chuck.

[lou s]

is tdr going to do the 11" rear end in 1/24-25 scale?

[eviltwincustoms]

is tdr going to do the 11" rear end in 1/24-25 scale?

You would just need to reach out to TIM at TDR and ask if they can down size the parts. If there isn't an issue with doing that, he can get them uploaded for purchasing fairly quickly.

One thing TIM said is, "The squeaky wheel gets the Grease!" They cater to the modeler, all we have to do is ask if it is a part they sell in a larger scale and don't have it on their site. They are really pretty good about doing what they can to make things available to all scales.