fantacmet Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 So as some of you might have seen my logging truck is coming along. The load is going to be the real deal, I have PLENTY of perfect stuff to choose from. A friend owns a Christmas Tree Farm, and I can grab whatever I want, even cut some birch branches if I want. I already have the perfect sized chain and everything. The question lies in, where in the heck do I attach the chains to hold down the logs? I can't find that ANYWHERE. Took me forever to find pics of how to do the cables for the bunks. Which I had to make the cables myself, I couldn't find anything suitable. If I need to make some D rings or something that's fine, a little thread about a Ford Aeromax showed me how to do those(I plan to do that to a 4x4 I'm building).
Superpeterbilt Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 I could be wrong, but I believe they belly wrap the chain completely around the logs. They are chained to themselves.
trick my mixer Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 What holds the log loads secured are called wrapper because as the term implies they are wrapped around the logs. They are to start with a cable and they have about a 2 foot piece of chain on each end. The wrappers are tossed over the load of logs and then you grab one end and bring it under the load and you hook a chain binder to it and the hook the other end of the binder to the other end and you grab your cheater bar and cinch it down. A regular load requires 3 wrappers but up here in the Northwest they started putting more axles on so now most loads require 4 wrappers.....I made my wrappers from picture frame hanging wire and used some small chain on the ends and crimped them together with some small metal jewelry connecting ends, the kind you can crimp together.... I got my working chain binders from KFS out of England. Hope that helps
fantacmet Posted January 24, 2015 Author Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Got any pics? I keep seeing chains wrapped around them, and the only cables I see are what hold the bunks up on the Peerless trailer. I'm basically doing this up as a rig that's maybe a few weeks old. As if a guy had been log trucking for awhile and saved up the money to do his own rig the way he wanted it. So using the International Transtar 4300 Eagle kit, minus Sleeper for it. No not Spec'd for logging but this gentleman didn't give two hoots, so he grabbed one because he wanted different. This fictitious gentleman that is. If I need to make cable, I have a ton of fine wire that I make cables with. Been making tank cables for years for my armor models. Same thing with Barbed Wire, though no use for that stuff on a truck. Examples, while this particular one is admittedly more modern, it looks like a chain to me. I can see what you mean though on this one. Of course I also found this too. And while I haven't posted the pic I did see one of someone doing the thing like you described but instead of a cable and chain it was just a chain. It's a shame because this chain I bought is REALLY nice. Though making my own cables works out well too. Just gotta scratch a binder, or make one of those handcrank winch ones. LOL Edited January 24, 2015 by fantacmet
Aaronw Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 I knew these would be useful someday I've got a few more, and might be able to zoom in and crop to get you better detail on specific areas if needed.
fantacmet Posted January 24, 2015 Author Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Well I'll assume the cable to chain is just a loop in the cable, with the metal crimp on it. It'd be tough to tell from a photo unless you zoomed in real good or were using a DSLR. Edited January 24, 2015 by fantacmet
MeatMan Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Well I'll assume the cable to chain is just a loop in the cable, with the metal crimp on it. It'd be tough to tell from a photo unless you zoomed in real good or were using a DSLR. You're right Mike if I understand the issue correctly, I used to unload poles using a Pettibone Cary-lift and the wire rope had a looped end with a large connector. Google "looped wire rope" and you'll see how they are constructed. Some drivers just used long chains and looped them around the poles and hooked them on to the trailer edge on one side and used the come-along on the other side hooked again to the edge of the trailer on the other side. I love the build!
Aaronw Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Well I'll assume the cable to chain is just a loop in the cable, with the metal crimp on it. It'd be tough to tell from a photo unless you zoomed in real good or were using a DSLR. I was and I can. It looks like the cable ends are looped through a link of chain, or maybe the chain is doubled on itself. It kind of looks like the cable has a chain tail in some of the photos. Unfortunately unless I bumble upon a log truck parked when I have my camera, next chance for photos like this where I might be able to specifically see the connecting point will be 2016. On the plus side you should be able to use the nice chain you bought. KFS used to offer a really nice set of working PE binders, I'm not sure if they are still available or not, I bought mine in 2006. Edited January 24, 2015 by Aaronw
Aaronw Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 As far as the log load and using branches, one of the things that usually stands out to me is the flush cut bases many people use. It is a small detail but including the holding wood on the end of some logs adds a lot of realism. I would think it would be fairly easy to make your cuts just like a tree with your pie cut on one side, your back cut on the other then bend until it snaps.
fantacmet Posted January 24, 2015 Author Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Nice to know I'm the the only one who runs around with a DSLR. Sad part is all these photo's I have so far were taken with a phone. Older Galaxy S3.. Well except for the binders this looks about right. The chain I bought, the cable is wire that I twisted up myself. The "clamp" is just aluminum tube cut to length and superglued. KFS does still offer the binders, but I really don't want to pay shipping from England. Edited January 24, 2015 by fantacmet
Aaronw Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 That looks about right to me. Just a guess, but I'm thinking one side is as you have done, looped through a link and the other side the chain is threaded through the cable and doubles back.There used to be a couple of US based sellers stocking KFS stuff, but they all seem to have stopped or gone out of business.
fantacmet Posted January 24, 2015 Author Posted January 24, 2015 Trying to think if I want to try and make some or not.
gatorincebu Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 Buying thin gs from KFS or any other Euro Aftermarket supplier. I not a bad way to go. Yes shipping costs can be an issue. When I b uy from KFS. I buy a lot of different things.And while I do not have the order shipped directly to the Philippines ( I could, but don't want to go there) I have things shipped to me Daughter IN Florida. And she then forwards things to me. n My point is that in my opinion if you buy a lot of parts it makes the shipping fee all the more reasonable. Howard at KFS does a great job of packaging things. For your log trailers I would recomend the chain binders and also the starp winders that could be modified to use small chain.KFS also has cleavises and stuff like that as well. So for my money it is worth it to me to pay the shipping. Be Well Gator PS there was also any article in one of the model mags on how to make the strap or chain winders. I just donot remember which one. Tjhe Ducth Model Club website has all the how to articles. You might try looking there.
fantacmet Posted January 28, 2015 Author Posted January 28, 2015 Yup higher orders can make the shipping cheap, problem is I have very tight finances, otherwise I'd have no problem ordering them. I ordered some from shapeways this morning that someone uploaded. I don't need operational ones, static will be fine but depending on the strength these could be operational. With just some hooks, it'd be pretty easy to make some of the other style with the ratchet handle. Well relatively speaking of course. The clevises I've already made a few, and I'll be using them on a lowboy that I'm going to be doing as soon as I get the thee 25 dollar gift cards I won at work. Lowboy and truck that is, and styrene to modify it to a front loader but that's a different topic altogether. I may be getting a better paying job here before too long if I'm lucky, and if that happens, I'll definitely be ordering more stuff when I can, but I really like to shop locally. Only thing is the only Hobby shop within 30 miles that does models is Hobbytown, though on the upside it is a locally owned franchise store and not a corporate store. They are even purchasing some locally made model bits, so I may go back into license plate production. I appreciate the info on the dutch site I'll be looking that up for sure.
Tankman Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 On those binders i just bought a bunch of them from Dave at AITM. They are resin but look really good.
fantacmet Posted January 31, 2015 Author Posted January 31, 2015 I ordered some from one of the guys here who has them on shapeways. I got my logs ready to go, went and cut them last night from the tree farm. LOL
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