Junkman Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Hi, Does anybody now make resin conversion parts for these since Biscuitbuilder gave up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Seattle Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Back when I owned R & D Unique, I bought ALL the masters for the AAM Duesenberg conversions (and a few other classics too). I sold R&D to Tony Willing a few years ago, and am keeping all those masters safe and sound in case Tony wants to consider putting them out again. He and I have discussed a few times, but neither of us is convinced the market is big enough to devote the time and cost to making a new mold set. We are however still listening..... Dave VanderWal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Maybe I won't sell those couple of boxes of Duse kits after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 Back when I owned R & D Unique, I bought ALL the masters for the AAM Duesenberg conversions (and a few other classics too). I sold R&D to Tony Willing a few years ago, and am keeping all those masters safe and sound in case Tony wants to consider putting them out again. He and I have discussed a few times, but neither of us is convinced the market is big enough to devote the time and cost to making a new mold set. We are however still listening..... Dave VanderWal Oh please, please, please. I agree, they probably won't be strong sellers. but for the selected few elitists (rofl) that still are into classics, they really would be essential. Can you please tell me which parts there are molds for? I have no idea what was/could be made available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 Maybe I won't sell those couple of boxes of Duse kits after all! Couple? There should be three to begin with I think. I would hold on to them if I was you. I buy every classic kit that crosses my path and they change owners for surprisingly little money since they aren't on the radar of the mainstream collectors yet. Yet. Just hold on to them and wait....the numbers out there are dwindling rapidly. Do a search on Duesenbergs on Ipay and you'll be surprised how few are offered. And don't forget to build a batch, they are beautiful models of beautiful cars after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Uh, couple of boxes: They are storage boxes, 20 x 20 x 20 !!!! In other words: I get choke Duse's!!!! (Translation: He has a lot!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) Uh, couple of boxes: They are storage boxes, 20 x 20 x 20 !!!! In other words: I get choke Duse's!!!! (Translation: He has a lot!) Oh, in case you have too many, I can help you win back some much needed storage room... Edited February 8, 2008 by Junkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Seattle Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 Oh please, please, please. I agree, they probably won't be strong sellers. but for the selected few elitists (rofl) that still are into classics, they really would be essential. Can you please tell me which parts there are molds for? I have no idea what was/could be made available. Sorry for delay, but I was away for a few days and have not seen this thread until today. To address your question, this is a common misunderstanding about resin parts and kits. The simple reality is that the molds are the first to go, so there are NO molds of ANY of the components. However, ALL the component master parts are here, so new molds could be made. The problem? That's also the greatest expense in time and materials. Between the amount I paid for the master parts, and the costs associated with making new molds, that first kit out the door would probably cost around a grand to produce. If you cannot be pretty confident of selling 50 or so, you would be better off to go do something else. Best, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modelmartin Posted February 11, 2008 Share Posted February 11, 2008 I am also a big Duesenberg fan and have started a few bodies and conversions for Aardvark Models. I love antique and classic cars but they are a tough sell in today's dying market. The Model Ts I did have sold poorly compared to other things I produce. I really want to produce them but don't know if sales will be there. I imagine I will get several of them out there eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted February 11, 2008 Author Share Posted February 11, 2008 I am also a big Duesenberg fan and have started a few bodies and conversions for Aardvark Models. I love antique and classic cars but they are a tough sell in today's dying market. The Model Ts I did have sold poorly compared to other things I produce. I really want to produce them but don't know if sales will be there. I imagine I will get several of them out there eventually. Went to your Fotki - your website seems to be down. Just two questions: That Firebird III show car - how much is it and when can I have mine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted February 11, 2008 Author Share Posted February 11, 2008 Sorry for delay, but I was away for a few days and have not seen this thread until today. To address your question, this is a common misunderstanding about resin parts and kits. The simple reality is that the molds are the first to go, so there are NO molds of ANY of the components. However, ALL the component master parts are here, so new molds could be made. The problem? That's also the greatest expense in time and materials. Between the amount I paid for the master parts, and the costs associated with making new molds, that first kit out the door would probably cost around a grand to produce. If you cannot be pretty confident of selling 50 or so, you would be better off to go do something else. Best, Dave Freudian glitch, I was thinking styrene. I would still be interested in learning what masters actually exist. It was mentioned there were masters for other classic's parts, what would they have been? I mean, one of the most essential things would be a Murphy hood. I can't believe it's a thou to get the first one of these out the door, but I'm willing to learn. I fully agree with you, to do classic stuff on a grand scale is a big risk, given the era's popularity among modellers - or the lack thereof. But one always has to ask the question the other way around too - what are people supposed to buy, if there isn't anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyser Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Hi Dave I have all of Art's Duesies, regret not getting the Mudd coupe from Guido in SA. Art did the Weymann black and white speedster, the Franay boattail, A corrected Disappearing top boattail (the metal Mono), the Gurney-Nutting Orange/black boattail, a nice J hood with intakes and some wheel discs (from Weymann), a nice semi-generic four-door wit some Clearview features, and a Judkins 3-window. Lee Baker mastered many. I heard a Victoria may be in the works somewhere, and we need a good LeGrande. Mudd coupe would be nice, and I begged Art for a Mormon Meteor (he had one in progress somewhere, I saw it). A nice SJN could work too. I have the Ideal but I don't have time. An 8 pipe exhaust hood could work, too. I tried to be an annuity for Art on the Duesies. Besides, how many of you guys have the Judkins 3-window? Andy, please consider some stuff, and Dave, get Tony to throw a few. I'm still trying to make an Exner SSJ out of a Renwal. The Duesy was really the Stutz per the original Playboy article. I'll shut up now. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted February 13, 2008 Author Share Posted February 13, 2008 Mudd Coupe???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Seattle Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I have the masters for all the Deusenbergs and components that Art did plus the Cords. As far as I know, I bought all that Lee mastered for Art. I also have a master for the Mormon Meteor in it's former incarnation - not the latest one. Also have a master completed for a Cord L-29 roadster. Those two were done for me as a commissioned master by a fellow named Gerry Nilles, who also did the master for the Edsel Ford Speedster that Tony still casts. I may be exaggerating a little bit about the expense of putting out the first model, but I don't really think so. When you consider master expenses, RTV, resin, white metal and tooling, advertising, etc., you can burn through a grand in a very short time. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDO Posted February 16, 2008 Share Posted February 16, 2008 ... Besides, how many of you guys have the Judkins 3-window? ... L Only those willing to chop up some other kits to get it. What is a Murphy Hood? Is it the one with arc-shaped louvers? I got mine by making resin copies of a Diecast hood. I got a diecast off ebay really cheap because someone had dropped it. The hood wasn't broken though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 I have the masters for all the Deusenbergs and components that Art did plus the Cords. As far as I know, I bought all that Lee mastered for Art. I also have a master for the Mormon Meteor in it's former incarnation - not the latest one. Also have a master completed for a Cord L-29 roadster. Those two were done for me as a commissioned master by a fellow named Gerry Nilles, who also did the master for the Edsel Ford Speedster that Tony still casts. I may be exaggerating a little bit about the expense of putting out the first model, but I don't really think so. When you consider master expenses, RTV, resin, white metal and tooling, advertising, etc., you can burn through a grand in a very short time. Dave What would happen if I would pay you a grand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Seattle Posted February 18, 2008 Share Posted February 18, 2008 What would happen if I would pay you a grand? Well, I'd have a grand and you wouldn't! Seriously, contact me off-board and we can talk. You can get me on RnDUnique@aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ettore Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Long Distance Operator, That Judkins is looking seriously good. Going to cast it? Ettore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDO Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Long Distance Operator, That Judkins is looking seriously good. Going to cast it? Ettore I'll ask the guy who cast my hood sides for a quote. If it works out, you'll get the first couple of bodies out of the mold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ettore Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 LDO, Suits me fine. I'm sure I can dig up something interesting for you. Ettore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuitbuilder Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Only those willing to chop up some other kits to get it. What is a Murphy Hood? Is it the one with arc-shaped louvers? I got mine by making resin copies of a Diecast hood. I got a diecast off ebay really cheap because someone had dropped it. The hood wasn't broken though. Lee, Those hood sides are unique to one Model J, the Fernandez & Darrin drophead victoria built for the actress Greta Garbo. They have three additional curved louvers added at the rear of the side panels, to compensate for that car giving up its standard side-mounted spares in favor of double rearmounted spare tires. To return those hood sides to the way they were as supplied by Duesenberg Inc., simply carve away the rear three louvers, then fill the access/cooling door panel lines at the rear of the hood sides (ordinary Model J's didn't have those). Remember, Duesenberg Incorporated's standard package, as supplied from there factory, in addition to the completed running chassis, included fenders, running boards, splash aprons, complete hood, radiator shell, headlights, taillight (either one for the left side, or a pair according to the customer's demand), and bumpers. Most coachbuilders didn't modify those "identifying" parts, unless the customer wanted something different, until fairly late in the game, when several attempts were made to update the aging styling toward the end of Model J production (Model J was designed in 1928, first produced in 1929, and the last one not completed until 1940 (Rudolph Bauer's convertible berline). Of course, over time, as these cars changed hands, several got restyling, ranging from new bodies to simpler stuff such as "skirting" the fenders, smaller more streamlined headlights, that sort of thing. Biscuitbuilder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imatt88 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Lee, Any progress on your Duesy? Cheers, Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duesie Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Being a die hard Duesenberg fan with over a dozen different ones started on the model desk, I would purchase any new kits or parts made available. I was fortunate to purchase the Cord kits and all the Duesenbergs from AAM in the 90's. My mouth still waters for more and also wished I had purchased a Mudd Coupe when they were available. I have tried to cast the louvered Duesenberg hoods with little satisfaction. I am in the process of up grading my casting product and want to try to cast the exhaust / carb for the louvered hood that I have. Thanks to Art and Lee Bake for the effort. My conversion of the Brunn torpedo waits on the 8 pipe exhaust if it ever comes. We are a small group that are passionate about these classics, but someone please tease us with some resin parts offerings. Duesie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imatt88 Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) Larry Any conversions available? I have two started on my bench right now. A Phaeton and a Town car Do you have pictures of your stuff? Does your group have a name? I'd like to see your groups' cars Cheers, Ian Edited September 14, 2011 by imatt88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Most Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I do recognize a Monogram '30 Model A top on Lee's model... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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