Greg Myers Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) I know how this works . . . just don't get the why. Edited March 16, 2015 by Greg Myers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike 51 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) . edit nope no irs.the photo is altered, I found this pic elsewhere and the sedan is nearly stock . Edited March 17, 2015 by mike 51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarana-X Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 "thing" Nissan 240sx. Its called stance. The car didn't do anything to deserve this. Kids do stupid things. Remember in the early 90's when kids where running tiny wheels on spacers so the tires stuck out like 10" from the car? I think it's their kids doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Falls Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 IRS is not a good subject this time of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbwelda Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 you think that beater hot rod has a jag IRS under it? I don't. why do they do that? because they can and because it bugs you. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) At full bump a Jag rear end won't give that much negative camber...unless it's broken. The pic looks old, taken with film, kinda washed out over-exposed. The surfboards are old, '60s. The clothes are '60s. My guess is she's got a broken RR axle, or has just worn the outer bearing down to dust. It happens. Edited March 17, 2015 by Ace-Garageguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 why do they do that? because they can and because it bugs you. jb And because they're a lot more concerned with making an impression than actually driving their little twinkie-dink wussy rides. An idiot suspension setup like that destroys handling. A swing-axle Corvair with no air in the tires would handle better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike 51 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) I checked the Model A photo for a source...I found the same picture showing the sedan with a stock stance, in fact it looks stock with the banjo rear end except the tall skinny 16 inch tires (all the same size). The photo we're talking about appears to have been photoshopped. So no irs,no broken axle. Mystery solved? Edited March 17, 2015 by mike 51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie8575 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 IRS is not a good subject this time of year So, when are they a good subject? Charlie Larkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRX7Project Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 And because they're a lot more concerned with making an impression than actually driving their little twinkie-dink wussy rides. An idiot suspension setup like that destroys handling. A swing-axle Corvair with no air in the tires would handle better. Just like how I'm sure lead sleds and high-boys and gassers all handled fantastic? "Stanced" cars are the modern age lead sleds. All about looking wild, laying frame, and not giving a care about the rest of what a car is supposed to do. I bet people called lead sleds "ruined" back in their day as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Most Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I bet people called lead sleds "ruined" back in their day as well. Some guys STILL do. "Why would anyone cut four inches out of the roof of a perfectly good '49 Mercury".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Just like how I'm sure lead sleds and high-boys and gassers all handled fantastic? "Stanced" cars are the modern age lead sleds. All about looking wild, laying frame, and not giving a care about the rest of what a car is supposed to do. I bet people called lead sleds "ruined" back in their day as well. Let's see here. Highboys handle pretty well for what they are. Ever driven one? Gassers had a functional purpose...to go fast in a straight line over a quarter mile. They performed that function admirably. Many lead sleds were the owner's only transportation. They had to function as cars. "Stanced" cars are stupid, useless, wannbee-cool carp. BUT there were a lot of poorly-done, ill proportioned, close-to-useless old-school hot rods and customs too. Ignorance and poor engineering don't have a lock on any one particular generation...but they seem to be more fashionable today than ever before. Edited March 17, 2015 by Ace-Garageguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie8575 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Ignorance and poor engineering don't have a lock on any one particular generation...but they seem to be more fashionable today than ever before. It does rather point to my general belief that the decline in common sense has accompanied the decline in the quality of education and entertainment, leading to a general crassness and cynicism about society and life in general. Charlie Larkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Anderson Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I checked the Model A photo for a source...I found the same picture showing the sedan with a stock stance, in fact it looks stock with the banjo rear end except the tall skinny 16 inch tires (all the same size). The photo we're talking about appears to have been photoshopped. So no irs,no broken axle. Mystery solved? In order for the rear wheel on that Model A sedan to splay out as it appears in the picture--the axle housing itself would had to have been broken, and about the only place you're going to fracture that housing would be at the banjo center section. Model A's have a 3/4 floating rear axle (same with all Ford cars from 1928-48, meaning that the weight of the car in the rear is borne by the axle housing, NOT the axle shaft itself. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike 51 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) You're right Art...and the pic is a fake. Maybe by someone who thought that degree of camber looked "cool"? Edited March 17, 2015 by mike 51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie8575 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 You're right Art...and the pic is a fake. Maybe by someone who thought that degree of camber looked "cool"? Or was trying to be funny by suggesting an overload. Charlie Larkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lownslow Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Let's see here. Highboys handle pretty well for what they are. Ever driven one? Gassers had a functional purpose...to go fast in a straight line over a quarter mile. They performed that function admirably. Many lead sleds were the owner's only transportation. They had to function as cars. "Stanced" cars are stupid, useless, wannbee-cool carp. BUT there were a lot of poorly-done, ill proportioned, close-to-useless old-school hot rods and customs too. Ignorance and poor engineering don't have a lock on any one particular generation...but they seem to be more fashionable today than ever before. #Aintcare im still gonna cock my wheels past -20, people like you wont live for much longer anyways and hopefully your views follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic_Models Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Someone always has to do something stupid with their car... https://m.facebook.com/emodelsltd/photos/pcb.754892094618158/754891544618213/?type=1&source=48&refid=8&_ft_=qid.6127098266038372296%3Amf_story_key.623494447438149474 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) #Aintcare im still gonna cock my wheels past -20, people like you wont live for much longer anyways and hopefully your views follow suit. Good for you !! You'll have to spend every cent you make flipping burgers or changing oil for buying tires every week, but good for you !! Never EVER let some old geezer's "views" about the real-world engineering of vehicle dynamics and handling interfere with your right to express your follow-the-idiot-herd look-at-me suspension setup ideas. Edited March 17, 2015 by Ace-Garageguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace-Garageguy Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 In order for the rear wheel on that Model A sedan to splay out as it appears in the picture--the axle housing itself would had to have been broken, and about the only place you're going to fracture that housing would be at the banjo center section. Model A's have a 3/4 floating rear axle (same with all Ford cars from 1928-48, meaning that the weight of the car in the rear is borne by the axle housing, NOT the axle shaft itself. Art IF the axle was broken at the inboard end and IF the outer bearing was ground to dust and IF the car was overloaded and leaning to the right (which the old Ford appears to be if you look carefully) you could probably get that much apparent camber on one side. I shoulda been more specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunkypeanutbutter Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 There's a belief I've heard, and I hold it to be true. This generation isn't more stupid than any other before it: it's just amplified and shown to the world more by the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atmobil Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 So where is the original version of the 60s photo? I'm a lot more interested in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 So where is the original version of the 60s photo? I'm a lot more interested in that. Here ya go! Google is our friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atmobil Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Thanks!! Looks much better like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JunkPile Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Practical, schmactical. Who ever said hot rodding has to be practical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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