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#1 johnbuzzed

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:23 AM

Well, we have the really nice, old-school  drag slick and Firestone tire parts packs to be thankful for- now, wouldn't it be cool if we could see some of the other old tires like the T/A radials, Blue Streak stock car specials, the hollow MPC Goodyears, etc, brought back in the same way?  You know, with the correct printing and all that...



#2 Casey

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:43 AM

Round2 has released two sizes of Goodyear Polyglas GT tires recently, and we're waiting to hear what Parts Pack #6 will contain, but yes, more updated tires would be a good thing to have.



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:52 AM

I say put 2 sets of  the F60-15's  in a parts pack and they should sell very well

 

Me personally I want to see an 8 pack of the blue pinstriped goodyear bluestreak slicks, I hear these  are coming though



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:55 AM

I know what Parts Pack Five will have in it, but I'm not allowed to talk about it quite yet...  <_<  



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:06 AM

I know what Parts Pack Five will have in it, but I'm not allowed to talk about it quite yet...  <_<  


I hate when ya gotta wait, don't you?? I know some info on a few upcoming kits, but I can't say what the changes are.....

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:11 AM

I know what Parts Pack Five will have in it, but I'm not allowed to talk about it quite yet...  <_<  

 

 

Thats just mean. lol



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:14 AM

I know what Parts Pack Five will have in it, but I'm not allowed to talk about it quite yet...  <_<  

 

Post #79 will get us 50% of the way toward an answer.  ;)

 

http://www.modelcars...ic=47934&page=4



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:25 AM

 

Post #79 will get us 50% of the way toward an answer.  ;)

 

http://www.modelcars...ic=47934&page=4

More like 25%...   :rolleyes:

 

Post #80 adds something like another 4/5ths... ^_^

 

Let's just say that 2013 will be a "good year" for gasser fans...  :D


Edited by Brett Barrow, 27 March 2013 - 09:32 AM.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:30 AM

i hope they branch out into more than just tires...like a buick nailhead motor with speed equipment. personally i think they are sinking their own ship just offering tires (particularly ones i have no interest in...disco polyglas anyone?)



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:38 AM

i hope they branch out into more than just tires...like a buick nailhead motor with speed equipment. personally i think they are sinking their own ship just offering tires (particularly ones i have no interest in...disco polyglas anyone?)

Sinking their own ship?!?  They're taking tires from kits and selling them in packs.  No investment other than the little box and tray that holds them.  It's genius if you ask me, and they've sold very well so far.  You'll see more, plenty more... 

 

As for that nailhead...   whistle.gif



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:44 AM

I know what Parts Pack Five will have in it, but I'm not allowed to talk about it quite yet...  <_<  

:rolleyes:



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:45 AM

Sinking their own ship?!?  They're taking tires from kits and selling them in packs.  No investment other than the little box and tray that holds them.  It's genius if you ask me, and they've sold very well so far.  You'll see more, plenty more... 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Revell (excluding AMT here since they haven't released any non-promo kits in a while) has the ability to simply mold ONLY the engine parts from a specific kit. Yes, they'd save some plastic if they could mold only the engine parts, but the entire mold needs to be placed into the molding machine, and I don't even think it's possible, as the molds are currently designed, to mold sections individually.

 

Tires are molded separately from the rest of the kit, so they are far easier and cost effective to sell separately, or paired with other tires in a parts pack.



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:24 AM

That's basically correct, I'm sure they could probably take inserts out and place them in other base molds and maybe make up some sort of parts pack of motors, but they'd have to do more than one motor at a time...   I'm sure that kind of forward thinking is built into the tooling nowadays (look at the Stacey David car, most of the motor related stuff is on its own small sprue) so that it might make some interchangability easier down the road.  Precise CAD/CAM now makes the mold insert breaks pretty much invisble on the finished product, about the only way to tell is to look at how the parts are grouped on the tree if they're part of a larger tree, which is usually the case with chromed trees (since you want one big chrome tree to make it easier to plate. White trees you don't really care if they come out small.)   

 

Both the Revell and AMT parts pack motors were conceived more or less like a full kit with parts all being run at the same time from the same mold.  Even though some were sold individually, they were produced in batches from one large mold.

 

And yes, tires get molded completely differently on completely different equipment, often in different facilities.  I've been told (I don't know if it's true or not) that a tire mold is the single most expensive piece of tooling in a model kit, which is why so many kits share tires, even if they're not prototypically correct. 



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:52 AM

From what I know about 1/1 parts production. Model parts trees are probably just a 2 piece mold cavity. Where as tires are most likely a 3 piece tool that have a sliding tool insert to provide the hollow cavities in molded tires



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:57 AM

If I get anymore tires, I'm gonna build a go kart track dio just the way it was back in the late 60's.



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:49 AM

From what I know about 1/1 parts production. Model parts trees are probably just a 2 piece mold cavity. Where as tires are most likely a 3 piece tool that have a sliding tool insert to provide the hollow cavities in molded tires

I believe they also have to be kept at a certain temperature to cure the vinyl/rubber compounds.  I think some of the newer hollow "thermoplastic" tires may be made on equipment more like how they "blow" plastic soda bottles.  Anyhoo, I know the hollow ones are made differently than the solid ones, and hollow seems to be the way of the future, like them or hate them.  I don't mind the hollow tires, I just don't like the wheels that are made to fit inside of them like what Revell's been doing.  I like that putting the sprue gate on the extra "ring" that fits inside the tire keeps the lip of the rim from having chunks torn out of it, but they need to scale back on the size of some of those rings, they're tough to work with.  They'll get it right, I hope - it's still a relatively new design for them.   



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:58 AM

 I guess that means stuffing toilet paper into the tires ehh ?



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:44 PM

yeah brett you are right in that sense absolutely, they basically manufacture a big tub of tires and then have plenty of leftovers, its genius to say hey lets sell these tires separately! i just hope they branch out a bit more and maybe spend some money on the series other than for packaging...and offer something either not available elsewhere or out of production for a long time now or with period correct parts tooled and included. in fact those classic cars whose tools are supposedly no longer with us? how about maybe some of the crucial parts ARE still with us and make a conversion kit to make the 32 vicky edsel nose version with an existing vicky kit? i am sure there are some good examples of "update" kits that could be offered as parts packs.

 

and revell: bring back the motorcycles. especially the hardley worthitson, man you will sell a million. remember who told you so! <_<

 

but i do recall how evidently revell bean counters or someone decided they could never sell them (parts packs) so they discontinued them and when they did take a chance (engine parts packs) they basically did a belly flop in the marketplace. so maybe they do have a reason for not indulging fools like me. but i still fall back on: put some imagination into it and it will sell...



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 05:52 PM

I thought I read on here, or some where, that Revell was going to offer both the Engines, and Motorcycle

parts packs, but got NO or Too Few orders/pre-orders for the motorcycles!

 

MAybe they should think about doing them as a set ins a standard size kit box!??

I have a few of the ford engine, One of the Pontiac, and none of the others. I do not like seeing them offered

cheap as 4-10 of the Same engine. Make up a box lot of the 4 different ones, and maybe.........................



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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:46 PM

I thought I read on here, or some where, that Revell was going to offer both the Engines, and Motorcycle

parts packs, but got NO or Too Few orders/pre-orders for the motorcycles!

 

Good memory, Dan. 

 

BikePartsPack.jpg

 

 

The Revell Parts Pack engines reissued in the '90s/early '00s are still available for cheap (4 for $16 shipped to your door on eBay), so I don't think those were ever good sellers, either.

 

Round2 has found a sweet spot with parts pack tires, and I think if they pit the Polyglas GT tires in a parts pack (#6, perhaps?), they would be a huge seller.