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#41 highway

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:23 PM

"the reason for using common abbreviations for texting (you can look where you're driving more often if you use fewer letters)"

 

         That was a joke. I guess I should have put a  :lol:  at the end. :) :)

 

Yeah, but for some here I'm sure it's the truth. I'm just very anti texting while driving. Maybe there should be a $2500 fine for car drivers like there is for commercial drivers, then there word be less texting and driving.

 

Of course, you can't fix stupid, not even with duct tape!! :lol:  Through the years driving around the country, I have seen it all, and two of the most memorable just happen to have been in IL. One woman around Effingham was driving down the interstate reading a book and once around Chicago I seen a woman change her shirt while driving on I 80!



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:14 PM

Ok, so everyone knows. l do not always use caps like l should because of Multiple sclerosis. l type with one hand and l would say unless my spelling is in the 90 percent correct. I don't text but do my best typing here. l am not  offended.  Guys if you see my posts with out caps my hand may have been getting tired. l also am now a lefty and until the last three years l was right handed all my life. l will try to do better...



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:55 PM

 

.....once around Chicago I seen a woman change her shirt while driving on I 80!

 


Edited by southpier, 26 August 2013 - 01:07 PM.


#44 Harry P.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 03:37 AM

 

was she loose ?

 

No, but her skirt was...  :P



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 03:39 AM

Ok, so everyone knows. l do not always use caps like l should because of Multiple sclerosis. l type with one hand and l would say unless my spelling is in the 90 percent correct. I don't text but do my best typing here. l am not  offended.  Guys if you see my posts with out caps my hand may have been getting tired. l also am now a lefty and until the last three years l was right handed all my life. l will try to do better...

 

Carl, there's a big difference between a person with a handicap and a person who's just being lazy. You have nothing to apologize for.

 

And BTW... I've been a lefty all my life and kind of like it.  :D



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:08 AM

 

Carl, there's a big difference between a person with a handicap and a person who's just being lazy. You have nothing to apologize for.

 

And BTW... I've been a lefty all my life and kind of like it.  :D

Thanks Harry, good point...



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:34 AM

Ok i have a question for the ones complaining about how people write stuff. Do you spell everything you write correct,use the correct version of certian words use correct punctuation capitalize everything that should anytime you write spell or email some one or post something

Your statement is a perfect example, and - to the best of my ability, as  my eighth grade English class taught me, some 50 years ago , this is how you might have typed it..... "Okay, I have a question for those complaining about how do people write stuff ?  Do you spell everything you write correctly, use the correct  version of certain words; use correct punctuation, capitalize everything  anytime you write, spell, or email someone or post something?"...Sorry, in spelling, correct punctuation and capitalization ALONE, I have come up with10 incorrect uses of those in this paragraph, and I didn't even address other issues, such as sentence structure. And I will be the first to tell you, I make mistakes....but I do proof read before I post, and there IS an autocorrect, and I use it.



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 05:07 AM

xxx


Edited by southpier, 26 August 2013 - 01:07 PM.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:55 AM

Ok i have a question for the ones complaining about how people write stuff. Do you spell everything you write correct,use the correct version of certian words use correct punctuation capitalize everything that should anytime you write spell or email some one or post something

 

I for one do in fact try to write concisely and use the correct words, terms and punctuation to get my point across.  Even though I proof read what I write prior to posting, occasionally I make errors, but I try to edit and fix them if I can.  I think most of the time, even if I don't re-address any written errors, my point is at least relatively clear nonetheless.

 

I must say though, I got a chuckle at your post.  I had to read it three times to comprehend what you were trying to get across.   And that was after it had been edited.  Makes me wonder how much more incoherent it might have been before being edited.

 

As pointed out, language is a tool.  Why not at least try to use it correctly?  How about taking pride in constructing a well written thought as you would in constructing a model?



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:04 AM

I've always taken spelling, capitalization, punctuation, and grammar seriously.  Not doing so makes one look uneducated.


Edited by Rob Hall, 26 August 2013 - 08:06 AM.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:06 AM

 
The short answer is a resounding "Yes!"  You have to think outside the world of Facebook and texting to understand why, though.   Go back to post #28 and look at how much Dale had to edit what you wrote in order to bring it up to "acceptable English" standards.  To be blunt, when people older than your generation see this stuff,  you collectively come off as a bunch of 'tards, and before you tell me that what they think doesn't matter, remember that they're the ones who'll be doing the hiring for the forseeable future.
   
Also, there's a huge difference between "generational slang" and the inability to differentiate between 2nd grade words like your and you're or there, their and they're.  Do you get to mix and match multiplication table results too?  Personally, I believe it comes down to willful indifference.  Here's why: Over the years, we've had a decent sampling of Europeans join our board, and even though English was, at best, a second language to most of them, none of them ever created a literary pile of poop like you did in the paragraph that Dale edited.  That's because they were taught proper English, including punctuation and spelling. 
 
I'd honestly love to know how colleges are handling this kind of thing.  Can you imagine grading a term paper wirtten in this garbage?

 

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:20 AM

Your statement is a perfect example, and - to the best of my ability, as  my eighth grade English class taught me, some 50 years ago , this is how you might have typed it..... "Okay, I have a question for those complaining about how do people write stuff ?  Do you spell everything you write correctly, use the correct  version of certain words; use correct punctuation, capitalize everything  anytime you write, spell, or email someone or post something?"...Sorry, in spelling, correct punctuation and capitalization ALONE, I have come up with10 incorrect uses of those in this paragraph, and I didn't even address other issues, such as sentence structure. And I will be the first to tell you, I make mistakes....but I do proof read before I post, and there IS an autocorrect, and I use it.


I dont care if i use all the correct uses and stuff im not a grammer nazi like some of you this is a fourm so it shouldnt matter this isnt a collage class or a class or a business where i have to make sure everything is correct so idont care if everything i post is correct

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:59 AM

And then there's that whole ebonics thing. When a school district excuses poor grammar due to heritage, something is very wrong.

 

http://www.urbandict...hp?term=ebonics

 

http://en.wikipedia....ics_controversy



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:59 AM

I dont care if i use all the correct uses and stuff im not a grammer nazi like some of you this is a fourm so it shouldnt matter this isnt a collage class or a class or a business where i have to make sure everything is correct so idont care if everything i post is correct

 

Ultimately how you write your posts is your decision. Nobody can make you care about anything. But communicating in standard English is a simple courtesy to the other forum members when you are "talking" to us here. It's not a matter of anyone being a "grammar nazi" or this place not being a "collage" class... it's about simple courtesy.

 

Is the post I quoted here really the way you want to came across to the rest of us? Really??? 



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:00 AM

Ok i have a question for the ones complaining about how people write stuff. Do you spell everything you write correct,use the correct version of certian words use correct punctuation capitalize everything that should anytime you write spell or email some one or post something


Yes I do, it's called an education. Sometimes my phone auto corrects a word and I miss it before I post. I also will edit my post to fix any errors.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:04 AM

I dont care if i use all the correct uses and stuff im not a grammer nazi like some of you this is a fourm so it shouldnt matter this isnt a collage class or a class or a business where i have to make sure everything is correct so idont care if everything i post is correct

 

You seem to enjoy throwing the term "grammer nazi" around a lot, despite your inability to spell grammar correctly and the fact that you had no idea that "nazi" should be capitalized. Tell me something, are those who're proficient in math "number Nazis" because they insist on precision instead of "whatever"?

  

Yes, we get it - you "dont care".  Please tell me that your job has nothing to do with legal paperwork or any other documentation where a customer might see your willful ignorance on display.  You are a liability. On the other hand, you may be on the verge of a wonderful career writing song titles for rap albums, my nizzle. 

 

Even if this were a college class or a business instead of a model forum, you'd still be in a world of hurt.  Spellcheck will tell you if you've goofed on the spelling, but it won't tell you that you screwed up by using except instead of accept. 

 

Lastly, you'll be pleased to know that you don't even have to go to college to take a "collage class".  An interest in art might be helpful, though.


Edited by Monty, 26 August 2013 - 09:20 AM.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:11 AM

I dont care if i use all the correct uses and stuff im not a grammer nazi like some of you this is a fourm so it shouldnt matter this isnt a collage class or a class or a business where i have to make sure everything is correct so idont care if everything i post is correct

Nice job making all of the older guys here think every person under 35 is a idiot. I am four years older than you and I would be ashamed to come across so poorly as you have. It's not a grammar Nazi thing, it's very hard to read what you type. Another thing to think about is the mental picture that others will make about you based on what you type. My mental picture of you isn't too flattering.

I read my post after it was posted. I found an error, and corrected it.

Edited by 2000-cvpi, 26 August 2013 - 09:15 AM.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:18 AM

So far there hasn't been much ,discussion regarding the original question, - what really IS the deal with ignoring capitalization, punctuation, reasonable grammar, correct word-usage and spell-check? The deal is that it's a social statement, a form of rebellion, that has become the current slang or idiom among an increasingly large number of people expressing themselves in text. Personally, I think it's a bad thing because I believe It eliminates some useful tools of expression and severely limits the options people have for introducing nuance and precision into what they're trying to say.

 

I find it instructive to see how we got here from the days almost 3/4 of a century ago when elementary school systems still taught rigorous grammar and spelling as basic skills (do they still or is it simply being ignored?).

 

By the 1950s and 1960s the job of getting the overwhelming majority of Armican society to achieve basic literacy had largely been accomplished. As a result it became fashionable, starting in the better suburbs in America, for schools to eliminate the distinction between those students who, either through social or genetic good fortune, were better adapted to learning, and those who were less so. It was a distinction that was thought to be (and often was) fundamentally elitist and undemocratic. Eventually education became restructured around this notion. Many outcomes occurred, one of which was the emphasis on narrow specialization in the skills we use to get through life. Education became increasingly vocationally oriented.

 

Those who were gifted in the areas needed to evolve the technologies of our society, notably computation and communication technologies, often found themselves to be less interested , and sometimes less capable, in the "humanities". This included spelling, grammar, and the basics of good writing.  Starting with the "sputnik generation" they were encouraged to focus on the areas they were best at and largely ignore the rest. As time and generations moved forward the other areas simply fell away.

 

Meanwhile the more learning challenged were encouraged to find employment better adapted to what was rapidly becoming a systematically under-educated class; employment that didn't require the skills they found more challenging to acquire, and which, quite often, they were no longer being offered. Up until the last 20 years, in many cases they were well enough compensated that these educational deficiencies really didn't matter. That expanding under-class was the "market" for the technocracy.

 

The intersection between the original concept of educational "democratization", really educational populism, and a technocratic class that is increasingly specialized has resulted in forms of communications that are best adapted to a lowest-common-denominator approach to both design and content. Think about auto-fill, for example, or spell-checkers and the problem of homonyms (words with different meanings and gramatical function but which sound the same), or the tiny restricted virtual keyboards on the screens of cell phones. All this reenforces a dumbing down of communication and a radical simplification of content. 

 

The outcome is formalization and repetition. Eventually it changes the way we are able to think as we lose the mental tools to do otherwise. Ultimately we feel threatened by those that may still tolerate, or even demand, more complexity in the things they say and the manner in which they say it. They constitute an elite class and are to be resisted. What better way than unstructured, unpunctuated, and phonetically ad-hoc paragraphs?


Edited by Bernard Kron, 26 August 2013 - 09:28 AM.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:32 AM

xxx


Edited by southpier, 26 August 2013 - 01:08 PM.


#60 Harry P.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 09:36 AM

This topic pops up regularly here, and there's nothing anyone can say to change things. The people who are the worst offenders when it comes to using poor grammar, spelling and punctuation are the very same people who aren't going to change their ways in order to make some "old fogeys" here happy. And the "old fogeys" who cringe when they see anything written in texting lingo aren't likely to embrace this "new way" of expression. Let's face it... neither side is going to convince the other to change their ways. My best advice to anyone who is really bothered by texting lingo and incoherent posts is to use the "ignore" preferences to filter out anyone whose writing makes your head hurt...  ;)