landman Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I want to build a Bombardier B12 snowmobile. I have enough info, photos measurements etc to scratch one up. the only problem is the tracks. There are about 150 cleats between the two of them I am looking for suggestions on how to reproduce them. Crimping aluminum channels in a die would work but it might take me several years. I wonder about 3D printing. Should I get the cleats printed in rows on a sprue or get the whole track assembly printed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTallDad Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Look at some sites that supply tracks for armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Bartrop Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) You could make one cleat, make a mould, then cast as many as you need. Plastruct hand evergreen both have channel section styrene, and you can get miniature bolts from the model railroad section of your LHS Edited July 28, 2019 by Richard Bartrop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat32 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 3D print cleats attached to sprue at each end with a connecting gate ladder style. The rubber bands can be printed in a flexible material with the inner strap detail. Glue the bands to the ladder and cut free from the cleats when glue set. Ladders can be in maybe groups of 10 or 20 cleats. Do you have access to the actual machine?? Would like to have a rubbing of the Firestone diamond treads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Flat32 said: 3D print cleats attached to sprue at each end with a connecting gate ladder style. The rubber bands can be printed in a flexible material with the inner strap detail. Glue the bands to the ladder and cut free from the cleats when glue set. Ladders can be in maybe groups of 10 or 20 cleats. Do you have access to the actual machine?? Would like to have a rubbing of the Firestone diamond treads. I was wondering whether 3D printing was feasible. Somehow I had visions of the whole thing (track, wheels) in one piece. I'm not sure of what you mean by rubbing ? And no, I don't have access to an actual machine. At least I haven't checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat32 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 3D printing requires a CAD file in stl format. If you have a file of the whole assembly it could be printed as such. Cad file creation requires dimensions reasonably defining every desired detail. A rubbing is simply placing a sheet of paper on the tread and rubbing the paper with a dirty hand to get an impression of the tread pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 I have quite a few dimensions. I'm not sure if they are detailed enough. the only dimension I can't find is the sprocket. It could be extrapolated from the rest. I suppose the wheel spacing could be as well. Here's what I have. The diameter of a 4.50-16 tire is 26.20". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SfanGoch Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 As Ray suggested, looking at armor models/accessories might yield something. These are Masterclub MC135003CL 1./35 scale resin track links for a Sd.kfz. 184 Elefant tank destroyer Comparing them to the B-12CS tracks, the Masterclub tracks are somewhat similar in appearance. Might be worth considering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat32 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Scroll down this page. http://www.wadenasteel.ca/dashboard/forum/index.php?topic=42.0 Pitch of the track cleats is important dimension not known, but should be easy to find. There is reference to a museum in the linked forum page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Flat32 said: Scroll down this page. http://www.wadenasteel.ca/dashboard/forum/index.php?topic=42.0 Pitch of the track cleats is important dimension not known, but should be easy to find. There is reference to a museum in the linked forum page. Refresh my mind, what is the pitch again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SfanGoch Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Pitch is the distance between centers of two track links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 59 minutes ago, SfanGoch said: Pitch is the distance between centers of two track links. So, the distance between the peaks on the sprockrt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SfanGoch Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 No, the distance between the centers of two bars on the track. Look at the middle drawing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 32 minutes ago, SfanGoch said: No, the distance between the centers of two bars on the track. Look at the middle drawing. OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 7:13 PM, Flat32 said: Scroll down this page. http://www.wadenasteel.ca/dashboard/forum/index.php?topic=42.0 Pitch of the track cleats is important dimension not known, but should be easy to find. There is reference to a museum in the linked forum page. That is where I got my photos, from that same lady whose name and address are shown. I'm looking for a 1:1 to get some measurements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat32 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 https://www.kijiji.ca/v-equipement-lourd-pieces-et-accessoires/ville-de-montreal/bombardier/1046616224?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true Call these folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglia105E Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 What an interesting project you are taking on there, Pat........ would this Bombardier company have anything to do with the Bombardier company in Derby, England that carries out rail engineering and aluminium car body manufacture? Just curious because the company is only 17 miles from where I live. Here is a link for you: https://uk.bombardier.com/en/about-us/bombardier-in-country/sites/site.transportation-derby.html David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) Absolutely. It started out in Valcourt Québec, making snowmobiles, then muskeg tractors and various swamp buggies then moved into rail cars and then into planes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Inc. Edited September 26, 2019 by landman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Flat32 said: https://www.kijiji.ca/v-equipement-lourd-pieces-et-accessoires/ville-de-montreal/bombardier/1046616224?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true Call these folks. For the pitch? What else do I need to ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat32 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Ask if they have a loose cleat kicking around that you could acquire. Outside diameter of the sprockets. Outside diameter of the tires, brand and side marked size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 8 hours ago, Flat32 said: Ask if they have a loose cleat kicking around that you could acquire. Outside diameter of the sprockets. Outside diameter of the tires, brand and side marked size. The pamphlet says 4.50 X16. I looked up the diameter and 26.20" would be about right. The ones in the picture look like GoodYear diamond tread. The guy in Montreal has some smooth ones too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 12:27 AM, Flat32 said: 3D print cleats attached to sprue at each end with a connecting gate ladder style. The rubber bands can be printed in a flexible material with the inner strap detail. Glue the bands to the ladder and cut free from the cleats when glue set. Ladders can be in maybe groups of 10 or 20 cleats. Do you have access to the actual machine?? Would like to have a rubbing of the Firestone diamond treads. I have three behind a mountain of flower pots. I'd have to dig them out. Can't do that for a while on account of cataract surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 If you want to see great craftsmanship. https://www.facebook.com/pg/Benoitetfils/photos/?tab=album&album_id=543112109512522 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landman Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share Posted September 29, 2019 I visited two today, one in private hands and one in a vintage snowmobile museum. I think I got all the measurements and info I need. Small world. the man with the blue machine is the one who had restored the B18 Mack that had inspired my build here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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