thanks dan, you know i began building that way, i guess because i could not seem to get 'everything' on the same page...like painting, so i just said, why not do 'this' part or section, first, then move on to another section.. anyway, got alittle more done the past few days, pumper body has been polished, and came out pretty decent, can you see the camera in the reflection?? layed the hose in the hose bed too, just a few more items left to finish up, i hope to get it all done this weekend...thanks for looking,dave.