Harry P.

How (or to whom) are entries submitted? You said "photos are to be uploaded to a contest site." Who's site? This site? A remote site? Uploaded by whom? The entrant? Or are you seeing a new "Model of the Month" area of the forum where people can just post their entry themselves? If people are allowed to submit more than one photo of their entry, who sorts through the pics and decides which one to post as "the" entry? Any limit as to total number of entries per contest period? Per person? Both? How will judging/voting work? A poll here on the forum, or some other way? What, if anything, does the winner get? More questions as they arise...

And exactly who gets the fun job of enforcing rule #4?

Because they don't realize that when you click on the reply button that's right below the post you're actually quoting the post. To reply without quoting the post you need to click on the "Add Reply" button at the bottom of the page (as you did).

I've been here a lot longer than you have. Believe me... people act like complete fools sometimes. We had a member banned just last night, for example. But like I said, while I'm not sure I'm sold on the idea of the contest, If enough members here are supportive, I'm not going to try and get in the way. The forum is for the members, after all. They wanted a Trucks section, they got it. They wanted an "Other Models" section, they got it. If enough of them want this contest, who knows... they might get it!

You just proved my previous point.

I never knew that! Interesting...

It's hard to pick a favorite, they had so many great songs.

Well, this topic has certainly taken a few odd twists and turns! But with all this Beach Boys talk, I had to go to youtube... I Can Hear Music... Help Me Rhonda... Sloop John B... Do It Again... man, those guys were good!

Does anyone else think it's weird that we put shoes on babies before they can walk???

Oh yeah!

Great song...

Ditto to all of the above. And nice detailing on the dash, too.

Yes, it does. In fact I was thinking that some people might think that's what it was.

Hmmm.... I didn't even notice that until you mentioned it. It makes sense that it might have been some sort of "dress up" or "appearance" option, maybe part of an option package.

I'm just pointing out the facts. Judging model entries by looking at photos and not looking at the actual model is a tricky business, and the fact that the photos would vary greatly in quality makes it inherently unfair. Like I said before, judging models when they're all sitting side by side and you can actually see them is one thing; how do you fairly judge a terrific, sharp, well-lit and well-composed photo of one model vs. a dark, blurry cell-phone shot of another model sitting on a cluttered workbench? Gustavson's contest was a little different... he was judging the designs and the customization ideas and commenting on how successful the design concept was, not necessarily the quality of the workmanship. He was judging concept more than execution. Also... with all the thin-skinned, easily offended types we seem to have here, the whole idea sounds like a potential can of worms with hurt feelings, bruised egos, "I can't believe that model won" types of posts, and so on. Believe me... I deal with you guys every day... I can see it happening. That being said, if there's enough interest from you guys and you really want to give it a shot, I wouldn't try and stop you... and I think (but can't speak for him) that Gregg would be ok with it. I don't know. Maybe we need to kick the idea around a bit and get more feedback.

Was the chrome center maybe an option? Or are all '70 Super Bees with the chrome bumper center restored incorrectly?

There are many car model-related sites that run a "Model of the Month" feature.

But at a contest, at least the judges see the models as they actually are. They're all displayed the same way, under the same light, etc. And the judge can see all sides of a model, not just the view that the entrant wants him to see. In a photo-only contest, the quality of the photos can greatly affect the outcome, because you can only judge what you can see in the photos. A bad photo can make a bright, vibrant paint job look dull and drab, for instance. Out-of-focus photos can make fine detail and craftsmanship hard to see, or even impossible to see. Judging models by only having photos to look at instead of the real thing in front of you poses problems.

Ken is right... a "photo entry" contest will always have the quality of the photos as an issue. Let's face it, some people have "pro-level" photo studio setups, while others don't know their shutter from a hole in the ground. In any contest there has to be some sort of "level playing field," and if the quality of the photos entered is all over the map, how can the photos be judged fairly against each other?

Riker's Island...

I'd hate to need to cross that bridge every day to get to work!!!

Geez, it sure looks like you know what you're doing!

So if you don't have cash, what do they do? Make you turn around and go back???