Interesting.......

[Nick F40]

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor-sports...rc-vs-f1-4.html

your thoughts?

[CAL]

I don't think they are quite the same animal unless you're a Finn, then you're just an animal in any motorsports - apparently.

BTW, if you stick a silver earing into a wall outlet blue lightening shoots out...

Edited November 25, 2008 by CAL

[Peter Lombardo]

At first, my immediate thought was; no question, F1 is the most demanding competitive driving in the world, 180 to 200 mph, tight turns, cars all around you, qualifying demands, etc…But the more I thought about it, I do now think the rally driver is bit in a more demanding position. The variety of track conditions, the weather variables (rain, snow, ice, heat, cold and night driving) all lead to a more torturous weekend.

I could be way off base, but I give the edge to rally drivers, but for no other reason than the night life, great parties and food, beautiful women, prestige and glamour, F1 is the way I would want to go.

[gregbbear]

That is an interesting topic. I hadn't really thought of that comparison before. In my mind I am always saying how much better F1 and WRC hotshoes are to the NASCAR types here. The physical and mental demands are so much greater for both. I am not saying that the NASCAR drivers don't have to have endurance, but... seriously, could you see Jimmy Spencer or Ken Schrader in an F1 or WRC car?

Pondering this, I don't think I could give a clear cut nod to either one. Beyond the physical conditioning, the reflexes, split second decision making, and fantastic car control, what else is there? Everything else is just the differences between the two classes/sports, ie co-drivers, terrain, technology etc. Both are underappreciated and under-covered here in the good ole US of A. Maybe Obama can bail out the USGP, and move it to Long Beach. That is change we need!

Regards,

Greg

[CAL]

there is no other "animal" like a rally driver. there is no other form of motorsport that requires the driver to excel in any and all conditions they may be faced with. some other forms of motorsport will still continue in rain, but snow, ice, extreme heat, mud, snow, pavement, dirt, gravel? these guys go insanely fast in any condition and on any road surface. what other form of motorsport puts that kind of demand on it's drivers and cars or trucks?

Dave

I think F1 would rank right up there, though. They, however, have a little different art of driving. I would have to think a ralley driver would only see 4.5 Gs in the event of a collision with a tree.

[Zoom Zoom]

All this thread does is make me sad.

We lost rally coverage thanks to Speed dropping it...dunno who to hate more, Speed or the FIA for being too greedy. It was by far my favorite armchair racing. Why did Europe get so many great rally games for the PS2 and we only got one? Now I don't even care and don't watch. Thanks, Speed Channel. Not.

I'm done w/F1 until they come to their senses and kick Bernie and Max to the curb and get their sorry behinds back to North America. I'm not holding my breath. One look at next year's cars and it's clear F1 needs to be put on suicide watch.

I'm with WRC drivers having to have the biggest cojones and most demanding driving skill. They are on the ragged edge of death all the time. There's no such thing as "safe barriers" in WRC.

[CAL]

i don't think it's the trees that really strike fear into a rally driver or his navigator, co-pilot whatever they are called, it's the stuff they can't see of don't see that they impact. things such as a chunk of concrete hidden by some tall grass or a snow drift. i don't remember who hit it now, but one driver hit a piece of concrete at speed which was bad enough, but then the car flipped in to near oblivion. kind of looked like one of those Nascar crashes that strips the body from the chassis and rollcage by the time it finally stopped.

i know that F1 puts it's own unique demands on it's drivers, but the conditions don't vary by much besides rain. i'll admit though i don't follow it and i have no real knowledge of it.

Dave

Those co-pilots are more insane than the driver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ii6Vkbj0Xk

[Nick F40]

I remember seeing that one with the in training co pilot, hilarious, I think he dropped a bowl of chocolate pudding in his pants I never saw that one with poor Timo Rautiainen? and Gronholm? that must have hurt, but is funny and it's true, they have to deal with everything. Man, that's what our problem is, we worry too much about censorship.........

All this thread does is make me sad.

We lost rally coverage thanks to Speed dropping it...dunno who to hate more, Speed or the FIA for being too greedy. It was by far my favorite armchair racing. Why did Europe get so many great rally games for the PS2 and we only got one? Now I don't even care and don't watch. Thanks, Speed Channel. Not.

I'm done w/F1 until they come to their senses and kick Bernie and Max to the curb and get their sorry behinds back to North America. I'm not holding my breath. One look at next year's cars and it's clear F1 needs to be put on suicide watch.

I'm with WRC drivers having to have the biggest cojones and most demanding driving skill. They are on the ragged edge of death all the time. There's no such thing as "safe barriers" in WRC.

I'm sorry Bob, don't be sad, I'm with you. I emailed Speed one day, a little while back and the response I got was mind boggling, they said, "it is because we were getting no viewers". First off you can thank NA$CAR with Fox, but how do they knew if we are watching it or not, it's funny becuase I asked about 10 people I know, and some I know love rally and would watch it, the FIA was greedy as their main focues is F1 but WRC has been getting more exciting and things changed and there are more viewers and fans over in Europe, which is why we can't get that MotorsTV and why the video games don't come to us is becuase they think we don't like that and that there wouldn't be much interest. Over in Europe is huge, that's what they live by, by we in america like it becuase of that, over in Europe, something cool, and well, you already know me and rally. Have you ever seen The Racing Network petition and the Speed petition, they are HUGE, with TONS os people wanting and asking the same thing, incredible......not much interest, my butt! I was talking to this one guy over there, that likes NA$CAR, not a huge fan but watches it and even he says that the 25 shows about it and non stop coverage is annoyng and out of hand, he even worries about the other racing fans because they got nothing to watch, we HAVE NOTHING other than Speed, maybe if you have digital cable and all that and maybe, Outdoor channel, Fuel and G4, but those don't really show a whole lot and are dedicated to motorsports. I heard that The Racing Network is going to launch in 09, man I hope so and can't wait, it certainly sounds like what Speedvision USED to be, Speedvision lives on!!

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?cel21yeah right, not much interest

I find this quote very meaningful and senseful

This was taken out of autoblog when I searched for The Racing Netowrk

"Im 55 and Nascar and I go back a long ways and I tell you Nascar is not what it used to be. These aren't stock cars anymore and the budget they spend and the sideline antics and soapopera the drivers put out is not like how it was. Nascar is becoming something like WWE and less like a true car racing.

They push technologies yet they insist on Pushrod engines, 4 speed trannys and zero cornering technology. People think Nascars only turn left which is not true! The car barely even turns, the corners are hills so the driver just keeps going straight.

Now again I am a big nascar fan from the old days but I dont approve the state of the sport now. Its caught inbetween the Flinstones and F1 in terms of technology and soapopera antics to boot."

Edited November 26, 2008 by Nick F40

[The Creative Explorer]

I'll say WRC drivers.

I've driven a Formule 3000 car and several WRC's, but when you are doing a rally, you really need balls of steel and dare to do it, since I had to poop all colours of the rainbow after some rallying...

When racing on a normal circuit, you can put yourself to the limit and sometimes over it, without any bad consquences. With on a rally-stage, you basically can not afford a big mistake. You could end up in a tree, ditch or 100 feet below in a canyon.

[CAL]

I'll say WRC drivers.

When racing on a normal circuit, you can put yourself to the limit and sometimes over it, without any bad consquences. With on a rally-stage, you basically can not afford a big mistake. You could end up in a tree, ditch or 100 feet below in a canyon.

That is just not true

A Senna

P Riccardo

M Winkelhock

F Cevert

J Clark

O Marimon

L Musso

P Collions

S Evans

C Bristow

W Trips

C de Beaufort

J Taylor

L Bandini

J Schelesser

G Mitter

P Courage

J Ridnt

R Williams

H Koinigg

M Danahue

T Pryce

R Peterson

G Vileneuve

R Ratzenberger

[Nick F40]

I'll say WRC drivers.

I've driven a Formule 3000 car and several WRC's, but when you are doing a rally, you really need balls of steel and dare to do it, since I had to poop all colours of the rainbow after some rallying...

When racing on a normal circuit, you can put yourself to the limit and sometimes over it, without any bad consquences. With on a rally-stage, you basically can not afford a big mistake. You could end up in a tree, ditch or 100 feet below in a canyon.

I agree....your lucky

It seems WRC is the choice..........but the list Chris has......

The Flyin Finns, they are just born talented....

Edited November 26, 2008 by Nick F40

[torinobradley]

I only know what I have seen on the tube and the different games I have played. While all racing takes lots of talent, the talent just has to be in different areas. There is more strategy in Nascar and circut racing and more driving needed in WRC. Consequences are huge no matter what form of racing your in. Technology is cutting edge in all racing.

From a gaming point, nascar is pretty boring, road racing (F1 or otherwise) is lots of fun but Rally just takes the cake.

In Nascar, you run around the track trying not to loose your grove and worry that you have enough tires and fuel to make it. One tap at 200 and your spinning...

In road racing, your trying to jockey your way to the front of the line without damaging your car by driving or hitting something and again, worry if you have enough tires and fuel to make it.

In WRC, your screaming sideways through the trees around blind corners on little dirt roads barely wide enough for your car, watching for rocks and other debris, not to mention all those people on the side of the road trying to get a great photo, while your listening to your car, your navigator telling you about the next section and any error results in consequence.

I would have to recomend Dirt on the PS3. Awesome game! It will really test your driving ability and unlike some of the other "pinball" type racing games, you run off the road and hit something, your car breaks... It's really fun to just hand the controler to someone who says they can drive and let them go, then watch the replay and all the parts flying off the car as they bounce from ditch to tree. And if they make it to the finish line, they're barley limping across with a car that looks like salvage.

Grid is also great for all us road race fans that don't like the pinball racing.

[CAL]

I only know what I have seen on the tube and the different games I have played. While all racing takes lots of talent, the talent just has to be in different areas. There is more strategy in Nascar and circut racing and more driving needed in WRC. Consequences are huge no matter what form of racing your in. Technology is cutting edge in all racing.

From a gaming point, nascar is pretty boring, road racing (F1 or otherwise) is lots of fun but Rally just takes the cake.

In Nascar, you run around the track trying not to loose your grove and worry that you have enough tires and fuel to make it. One tap at 200 and your spinning...

In road racing, your trying to jockey your way to the front of the line without damaging your car by driving or hitting something and again, worry if you have enough tires and fuel to make it.

In WRC, your screaming sideways through the trees around blind corners on little dirt roads barely wide enough for your car, watching for rocks and other debris, not to mention all those people on the side of the road trying to get a great photo, while your listening to your car, your navigator telling you about the next section and any error results in consequence.

I would have to recomend Dirt on the PS3. Awesome game! It will really test your driving ability and unlike some of the other "pinball" type racing games, you run off the road and hit something, your car breaks... It's really fun to just hand the controler to someone who says they can drive and let them go, then watch the replay and all the parts flying off the car as they bounce from ditch to tree. And if they make it to the finish line, they're barley limping across with a car that looks like salvage.

Grid is also great for all us road race fans that don't like the pinball racing.

Grid is an arcade game. Try a simulator like GTR2

[The Creative Explorer]

I agree....your lucky

It seems WRC is the choice..........but the list Chris has......

The Flyin Finns, they are just born talented....

Not lucky, just at the right time at the right moment..... I have driven quite a lot of different cars, race, rally and exotics. I have no money at all, less than Joe Average, but I happen to know a few who did quite well in selling software and now are more fortunate. And they are just as nuts about cars as I do.

And Nick; Watch Top Gear Episode 12x03 for you to find out why the Fins drive like that.

[CAL]

exactly, first the just to get a license is a driving experience that most people never encounter. And it's like there national past time- rally racing.

[Nick F40]

Grid is an arcade game. Try a simulator like GTR2

Come on now I want to play that SO bad, you can do so much!

you need a good computer to play that too

just wait till RacePro comes out for ONLY 360, one word.....SimBin

I have both Grid and dirt and love them both, I jsut like the racing aspect of both and Grid is the only game with current ALMS cars too, even though no Penske Porsche and F430GT and Dirt is just my favorite, so many of my freinds can't do it, they just don't understand, I can whoop them on the hillclimbs, I had my Audi Quattro up to 152 on the Windy hillclimb or whatever it's called, haven't played in a while becuase my 360 is not working.

WRC for the win!

[Nick F40]

What about Touring Cars vs. WRC and F1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S0cVAYIQu4...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtRyjfG-al0...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe1Hcqt7698

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXkWUCBoe4k

cautions? yeah ok, pssssht

urrrgh I miss TOCA for the computer

[gregbbear]

What about Touring Cars vs. WRC and F1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S0cVAYIQu4...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtRyjfG-al0...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe1Hcqt7698

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXkWUCBoe4k

cautions? yeah ok, pssssht

urrrgh I miss TOCA for the computer

Nigel Mansell without his big mustache!!!! Now, if I could only afford one of those old Tamiya BTCC cars......

Cool stuff, thanks.

Greg

[CAL]

Nigel Mansell without his big mustache!!!! Now, if I could only afford one of those old Tamiya BTCC cars......

Cool stuff, thanks.

Greg

You should have jumped on them when Squadron Shops had them for $2 a pop.

[58 Impala]

I love watching F1 and I really miss WRC. To compare the two is kind of like apples and oranges. They are both very demanding forms of racing but are very different. I used to love watching Schumacher drive, he was like a robot. Very precise and very few mistakes. Probably my favorite WRC driver had to be Marcus Gronholm- THE GUY NEVER BLINKED!-he was unreal to watch. I have to agree, rally drivers have cajones made of steel. I wish Speed would bring it back.

[gregbbear]

You should have jumped on them when Squadron Shops had them for $2 a pop.

Darn it! Always a day or decade late!

[CAL]

Darn it! Always a day or decade late!

I know the feeling. I always feel like I was born a decade too late.

[Nick F40]

Yeah, I know that feeling. Yeah I should have bought like 10 of those Jaccs Accords Yeah the BTCC kit's seem to be awsome, as of all the touring cars kits

I want to build some DTMs I think I might like these a TAD more than the BTCC Hey, nothing like the Green He.......Nurburgring man!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrJQ1c7lwFA...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7U1MDMPh_8...feature=related

compare these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyHYj-oo1wk vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S0cVAYIQu4...feature=related

Edited November 28, 2008 by Nick F40