First gen Firebird vs first gen Camaro ?

[Jack L]

Is the engine in  the Firebird set back more than in the Camaro ?

[Scott8950]

I've never heard of this before but I do know if you put a sbc in these cars it's in the same location as the camaro engine.  I know the  driveshaft from the firebird is the same length as the camaro and also considering the bbc is bigger than the poncho engine I'd say the answer is no.

Edited December 19, 2021 by Scott8950

[Classicgas]

Seeing as how both cars used the exact same chassis, I would have to say no. 

[Tabbysdaddy]

  On 12/19/2021 at 3:02 PM, Classicgas said:

Seeing as how both cars used the exact same chassis, I would have to say no. 

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For clarification, are you saying both kits or just both real cars? I have a Monogram '56 and '57 Chevy that both have the same chassis. 

[Classicgas]

Both. As far as kits, you need to take into account what kit manufacturer,  when it was tooled, etc. Those Monogram kit would have the same chassis as would a real 56 and 57, except for perhaps wagons and convertibles.  Convertibles have strengthened added to the chassis. 

[Jack L]

  On 12/19/2021 at 4:04 PM, Tabbysdaddy said:

For clarification, are you saying both kits or just both real cars? I have a Monogram '56 and '57 Chevy that both have the same chassis. 

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real cars . Read some where the Firebird engine was back more than the Camaro

[Tabbysdaddy]

  On 12/19/2021 at 5:47 PM, Jack L said:

real cars . Read some where the Firebird engine was back more than the Camaro

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I would think there would be some difference since the Camaro would have a Chevy engine and the Firebird would have a Pontiac. 

[espo]

Are thinking of applying 1:1 car dimensions to our hobby building a model?  This would in most cases trip you up. Example, Revell '66 and '67 Chevelle kits. In 1:1 the parts in almost any case will interchange. In the modeling world you better plan on a lot of trial-and-error fittings before you commit to gluing anything together. This I have learned the hard way. 

[Classicgas]

  On 12/19/2021 at 5:47 PM, Jack L said:

real cars . Read some where the Firebird engine was back more than the Camaro

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It's possible the engine mounts on the firebird block are located differently than the Chevy,  which could make it appear so.  Find pics showing the a frame  and #1 spark plug. That will show if they're  mounted the same or not. The sub frame is the same,  as is the floor pan.

[Jack L]

  On 12/19/2021 at 6:19 PM, Classicgas said:

It's possible the engine mounts on the firebird block are located differently than the Chevy,  which could make it appear so.  Find pics showing the a frame  and #1 spark plug. That will show if they're  mounted the same or not. The sub frame is the same,  as is the floor pan.

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thanks

[Snake45]

  On 12/19/2021 at 6:19 PM, Classicgas said:

It's possible the engine mounts on the firebird block are located differently than the Chevy,  which could make it appear so.  Find pics showing the a frame  and #1 spark plug. That will show if they're  mounted the same or not. The sub frame is the same,  as is the floor pan.

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Also, do some research and see if the transmission mounts are the same for 1G Camaro and Firebird. If they are--and I suspect they are--then the engines have to meet the transmissions at the same place.

[Classicgas]

Correct.  Thanks Snake45! 

[Scott8950]

  On 12/19/2021 at 6:23 PM, Snake45 said:

Also, do some research and see if the transmission mounts are the same for 1G Camaro and Firebird. If they are--and I suspect they are--then the engines have to meet the transmissions at the same place.

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They are the same. My uncle owns a 67 firebird with a 400sbc in it. The same trans. Mount and driveshaft was used with no modifications.