Rustoleum 2X spray paints

[StevenGuthmiller]

4 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Steve, I hear and understand you 100%, and you're right.

From what I understood, from people in certain FB Groups, they were using the 2X paints mostly because of how cheap they and the paints are (compared to tried and trusted products).

Obviously, you get what you pay for. In the things I saw, so many times it almost drove me crazy (& I left the groups because of it), after the 1st wrinkled mess, soaking & stripping it, they'd go and do it again, sometimes over and over again several more times, each time with failures. All to supposedly save a buck? To make matters worse, "certain group members" would encourage them nonstop to try again, but to let it dry longer etc. I couldn't take seeing certain people intentionally giving bad advice that way. Which is mostly why I wanted to share the facts about the incompatibility here. Where good and honest people come, to give and/or find  good advice.

I know your pain Ken.

 

I spend some time on the Facebook groups and I see those botched paint jobs all of the time, almost on a daily basis, and without even asking, it's become almost obligatory that Rustoleum paint was involved in some way, shape, or form.

As you said, the most frustrating part are the number of people that will continue to encourage them to try again using the exact same materials and then watch them fail all over again, claiming all along the way that "paint is paint" and "there's nothing wrong with the paint, it's the painter".

I suppose in the end, much of it is the painter's responsibility, but inferior materials sure as heck don't make anything easier on them.

 

I've even seen on a number of occasions, people who will have a failure with Rustoleum paint, admit that they've had issues with it in the past, and yet will still continue to ask people what they can do differently to make it work, and at the same time will get angry with you when you suggest that they try different materials!

I guess some people are just gluttons for punishment.

 

 

 

Steve

[Lone Wolf]

Yes, the interweb can be a disaster in many cases as it turns out. One example I see almost daily on my Facebook newsfeed are posts about Sacsayhuaman, those magnificent megalithic stone zigzag walls up on a mountain top, which has massive stones. I did a little research and found out that the government hired some legitimate scientists who did detailed analysis of numerous random stones,  finding them to all be 100% natural stones. Yet, every day almost several different (new) people will claim it's concrete, geopolymer, was heated and softened, etc, etc. For a while I'd post the saved link to the scientific study and Correct them. Even after roughly a month, they were still at it, posting lies.

Not all, but much of what I was seeing with those urging more of the failed 2X paint jobs was 100% Intentional. They somehow get their kicks from other people's misery, which they caused most of. Since I can't even begin to relate to such insanity, I'll just pass on a somewhat related story my late father used to tell us...

"There's 3 kinds of people in the world. 1st, you have the Leaders. Such as those born to Lead. 2nd, you have the Followers. These are actually good and needed people,  who generally make up the workforces of the world and the military members. 3rd, you have those who Can't Lead, Refuse to Follow, so they just Get in the Flipping Way!"

I see those online who intentionally spread misinformation, propaganda, and lies, as those #3 people...

BTW, For anyone with an already bought "supply" of 2X paints but don't want to throw them all away, I have a proven solution for gloss clear coating the acrylic 2X colors. I found (by Testing) that Minwax Indoor/Outdoor Helmsman Spar Urethane gloss clear works Perfectly,  even over Faskolor acrylic paint. Mostly Green 11.5oz spray cans, my local Home Depot carries them..

Edited April 27, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[peteski]

21 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

BTW, For anyone with an already bought "supply" of 2X paints but don't want to throw them all away, I have a proven solution for gloss clear coating the acrylic 2X colors. I found (by Testing) that Minwax Indoor/Outdoor Helmsman Spar Urethane gloss clear works Perfectly,  even over Faskolor acrylic paint. Mostly Green 11.5oz spray cans, my local Home Depot carries them..

You might think twice before clear coating any lighter colors with Minwax Urethane anything in general.  In my experience it the Minwax urethanes (from a can, not sprays) will turn greenish amber as they age. 

[Lone Wolf]

20 minutes ago, peteski said:

You might think twice before clear coating any lighter colors with Minwax Urethane anything in general.  In my experience it the Minwax urethanes (from a can, not sprays) will turn greenish amber as they age. 

As stated, I tested using the 11.5oz spray can. Which I chose only after doing research for "the least likely to yellow" urethane gloss clear spray. I do have a (not model related project) I used it on, that's now several years old, and so far it has shown no signs of changing any colors. Obviously, people can do whatever they please. I was just giving them an option that I know for a fact works safely, that won't wrinkle acrylic 2X colored paints, among others.

[peteski]

On 4/28/2024 at 5:03 PM, Lone Wolf said:

I do have a (not model related project) I used it on, that's now several years old, and so far it has shown no signs of changing any colors.

What color is your project?  White or some very light color?  If it is was a darker color, the yellowing would not be very apparent.

[Lone Wolf]

4 hours ago, peteski said:

What color is your project?  White or some very light color?  If it is was a darker color, the yellowing would not be very apparent.

You're not questioning a young and inexperienced idiot, who's not aware of the obvious need for white to make the statements I have. Although 5 sides of the jewelry/nick-nack box are black, the top consists of an edge to edge,  day-time taken image of a wolf in the snow. The wolf is a mixture of mostly lighter colors with a slightly off white chest and under body. Put differently, the project has more white than necessary to evaluate any potential yellowing or other color changes.

[peteski]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

You're not questioning a young and inexperienced idiot, who's not aware of the obvious need for white to make the statements I have.

I'm not questioning your experience, but you just arbitrarily stated that it the clear coating does not yellow, without providing much detail.  Comparing your differing experience to mine (I'm also like you, not a young or inexperienced idiot), I simply asked for more details.  I will trust but verify, especially when it comes to things I read on the Interwebs (which is *FULL* of young, inexperienced, and/or clueless people). Just ask @Ace-Garageguy .

To be honest, with 68 posts under your belt, I just don't know how much experience you have, or how reliable your info is. So don't get in a huff when someone asks you for more details about some product you tried and touting to others.  When you, like me, have been around this forum for quite a while, you'll learn to question new product or  technique someone touts here.

Edited April 30, 2024 by peteski

[Lone Wolf]

peteski,

I don't know what your problem is, and honestly don't care, but I refuse to respond to you any longer. The reasons are below, since it's obvious you'll be demanding them next if not provided.

Initially you brought into the conservation, an unrelated product type that I never mentioned, implied, much less recommended (the canned, brush-on version), which was essentially a "subject change" (which in my personal experience online, has been a very annoying and common "Trolling Tactic" of most internet Trolls), in what obviously was an unprovoked and intentional "attack" on me and the accurately described helpful advice I offered. Additionally, you made an unproven "jump" from the canned versions tendency to change colors, and applied it to the spray can version, without evidence, further adding to the uncalled for and unjust attacks. I see this additional line of attack as a very desperate "grasping at straws move", in your further attempts to discredit and/or attack me, especially since I didn't post anything wrong or untrue, that was a "legitimate target" for attacks in the 1st place. Then you "implied" that I'm either a liar, or an idiot, with your comments on the colors of my "test project", which obviously called into question my honesty, intelligence, and integrity. It's common knowledge that a light color under a clear is a necessity in order to properly test for potential color changes. There's never been a need to mention such unnecessary details because it's always been implied, which is rarely ever questioned. I find it extremely odd and very annoying that you're the first I've seen to question this.

After that, you made the completely false claim that I said it "does not yellow ". The facts  clearly show what I said is: "which I chose only after doing research for "the least likely to yellow urethane" ", followed by "that's now several years old, and so far it has shown no signs of changing any colors". It's plain to see that I've made no such claims to the effect that it "does not yellow". I've made no implied or expressed claims beyond the fact that it hasn't "so far" and that my search results showed this specific product is "the least likely to yellow".

Edited May 7, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[peteski]

Wow!  Thank you!