Mike 1017 Posted June 2 Posted June 2 The Titan Impolsion Documentary is on MAX. Accident or crime? Mike
espo Posted June 2 Posted June 2 The Coast Guard should never have allowed this contraption to be operated in the first place. 2
johnyrotten Posted June 2 Posted June 2 I listened to many hours of the investigation while at work, and tons of interviews and people looking at the wreckage giving their ideas on the failure. Whole situation is/was crazy,and preventable. I'll have to check this out.
slusher Posted June 2 Posted June 2 When you watch how it was made i can’t understand it lasting as long as it did.. 2
Mike 1017 Posted June 3 Author Posted June 3 14 hours ago, espo said: The Coast Guard should never have allowed this contraption to be operated in the first place. It was never register with the Coast Guard, so they didn't know that it even existed. 1
Fat Brian Posted June 3 Posted June 3 While I do enjoy the schadenfreude of the creator of this deathtrap getting to experience the results of his reckless disregard for basic safety and sound engineering I do hope the families of the passengers find a way to sue the company out of existence. Unfortunately, this probably falls into some legal loopholes where it will be difficult to make that happen. This is such and edge case the laws that would have prevented it haven't been written yet.
johnyrotten Posted June 4 Posted June 4 14 hours ago, Fat Brian said: While I do enjoy the schadenfreude of the creator of this deathtrap getting to experience the results of his reckless disregard for basic safety and sound engineering I do hope the families of the passengers find a way to sue the company out of existence. Unfortunately, this probably falls into some legal loopholes where it will be difficult to make that happen. This is such and edge case the laws that would have prevented it haven't been written yet. The fact that any "passengers" were called crewmembers (specialists in this case if I'm remembering correctly) is/was how they circumvented some of those laws/regulations. Along with it being "experimental". I'm curious if any civil suits will be as publicize as the incident was, if they happen.
slusher Posted June 6 Posted June 6 Has anyone went down too see any pieces of the titan sub? Has there been tv show about it? I watched a show about how it was made and concern when it was diving and later we kno what happened..
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 6 Posted June 6 10 minutes ago, slusher said: Has anyone went down too see any pieces of the titan sub? Has there been tv show about it? I watched a show about how it was made and concern when it was diving and later we kno what happened.. There are some videos available on YouTube of the remains on the bottom. Analysis of the wreckage photos and videos played a large part in determining how the failure occurred. 1
imarriedawitch Posted June 6 Posted June 6 Once heard someone say that the most dangerous thing you can do is fly in something you built yourself. This may top that. 1
Tim W. SoCal Posted June 6 Posted June 6 9 hours ago, slusher said: Has there been tv show about it? "Implosion: The Titanic Sub Disaster" documentary began airing on May 28. You can catch it on The Discovery Channel, Max, Discovery+ or Amazon Prime Video. It is VERY interesting and informative. 1
Tim W. SoCal Posted June 6 Posted June 6 On 6/2/2025 at 3:32 PM, slusher said: When you watch how it was made i can’t understand it lasting as long as it did.. Plus is was stored outside on the eastern Canadian coast, IIRC, during frozen winters.
slusher Posted June 7 Posted June 7 9 hours ago, Tim W. SoCal said: Plus is was stored outside on the eastern Canadian coast, IIRC, during frozen winters. I will check Discovery on demand and on line…
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 12 Posted June 12 Seeing screws driven into the carbon fiber pressure vessel to mount a monitor because Mr. Sub didn't want actual competent submariners or engineers around pretty much told me everything I needed to know quite soon after the...failure.
PowerPlant Posted June 12 Posted June 12 The main problem seems to have been the ego and narcissist pettiness of one man, ceo of OceanGate, Stockton Rush, pilot on the ill fated dive (because no one else in their right mind would do it), who insisted carbon fiber is a revolution in deep sea submersible engineering, when everyone else, as well numerous hull failures during testing, were telling him otherwise. In truth, he was likely just a cheapskate, as appropriate deep sea submersible materials, such as titanium, are far more expensive. Basically, he sugarcoated his greed and illusions of grandeur as some kind of revolutionary, altruistic breakthrough that will enable your everyday Joe to plunge into the deep, believing in it against all common sense and basic science. Dozens of employees who saw red flags were either promptly fired or resigned due to safety concerns. Check out the Netflix doc, it’s interesting. 1
stavanzer Posted June 13 Posted June 13 Is On 6/6/2025 at 3:29 PM, Tim W. SoCal said: "Implosion: The Titanic Sub Disaster" Is this different from the Netflix Documentary? If so, I'll need to watch both.
Tim W. SoCal Posted June 14 Posted June 14 19 hours ago, stavanzer said: Is this different from the Netflix Documentary? Yes, they are two different documentaries.
Ace-Garageguy Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) On 6/12/2025 at 6:57 PM, PowerPlant said: The main problem seems to have been the ego and narcissist pettiness of one man, ceo of OceanGate, Stockton Rush, pilot on the ill fated dive (because no one else in their right mind would do it), who insisted carbon fiber is a revolution in deep sea submersible engineering, when everyone else, as well numerous hull failures during testing, were telling him otherwise. In truth, he was likely just a cheapskate, as appropriate deep sea submersible materials, such as titanium, are far more expensive... Carbon filament-wound pressure vessels are nothing particularly new, but carbon has its own unique properties that HAVE to be respected, fully understood, and design accommodations provided for. I've seen footage of the winding process for this thing, and it's not good. Far as I can tell, Rush had little use for highly experienced engineers. So there ya go. There is no reason I'm aware of that a carbon fiber hull couldn't be devised that would easily withstand the pressures encountered repeatedly (and this one had 13 prior successful dives to its ultimate failure depth), but any prudent design/engineering team would build in extreme safety factors and NEVER allow some clown to drive screws into the laminate. There's nothing wrong with breaking new ground using composite materials in novel applications. For years I worked with a company that developed repair procedures for one series of composite GA aircraft that the particular manufacturer said were impossible. But there wasn't any yeehaw going on. The procedures were directly derived from established methodology well known in the German "fiberglass" sailplane community for decades, but that the engineers for the particular powered aircraft we were working on were apparently wholly ignorant of. And our primary structural engineering consultant was a well-known and respected leader in the field, with spectacularly successful design work to his credit. After in-depth testing, running lots of numbers, providing piles of documentation, and jumping through a battery of FAA-imposed hoops, we were finally able to perform FAA-certified repairs on the particular series of planes...saving wrecks that would have been total losses otherwise. And they're all still flying. Edited June 14 by Ace-Garageguy 3
stavanzer Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) I just watched Both of the new Titan sub documentaries back to back. Both cover the same ground in different ways. It is very clear to me after watching the Netflix Doc, that the blame rests on two men. Stockton Rush, and the Named US Whistle Blower investigator who blew off David Lochridge's complaints. telling him, (after he was fired, was harassed by Rush, and broke) that "I have 11 cases older than yours. I'll get back to you...." That stupid Git could have stopped Rush in his tracks, but blew it off. The blood of those 5 people who died is on his hands too...... The other show Implosion, talks to Christine Dawood the widow and Mother of the Father & Son who died. She is one of the most poignant of the survivors on camera. She about broke my heart. Both have good points and bad points to them. If you are at all interested in this incident, I highly recommend watching both of them. Edited June 15 by stavanzer spelling 2
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