Harry P. Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Ok guys... I have just about had it with the juvenile BS that's been happening here lately. I just deleted two threads that were nothing but infantile ranting. I really don't have much more patience for this sort of nonsense. I don't care if you're 14 or 44... if you're going to be a jerk here, your membership will be terminated. You all know who you are. I'm not going to name names, but I will not put up with any more BS.
Nick Winter Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) Ok guys... I have just about had it with the juvenile BS that's been happening here lately. I just deleted two threads that were nothing but infantile ranting. I really don't have much more patience for this sort of nonsense. I don't care if you're 14 or 44... if you're going to be a jerk here, your membership will be terminated. You all know who you are. I'm not going to name names, but I will not put up with any more BS. sorry to bother you but I had to say that. and I'm really angry that you deleted my Trans am. Now I have to repost it and all the pictures. Edited October 27, 2009 by Dukefan69'
B_rad88 Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) well, harry, i will start naming names! if it comes down to it! i am tired of people calling me names and other stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and no, that was messed up for you to delete the trans-am, nick worked hard on it! and hes also a good friend! Edited October 27, 2009 by KUZTOMMODELS88
Harry P. Posted October 27, 2009 Author Posted October 27, 2009 Repost the photos, that's fine... but leave out the BS. And the bad language. We all know how to swear, but we also all know it's inappropriate to do so here.
FloridaBoy Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 I have lived for 62 years, a majority of it being in model cars and railroads. Both of which are mostly "guy" hobbies. Somehow most of us do not share our pastimes with women, maybe let them in once in a while, but basically our hobbies are "ours'. Over the years, I have seen testosterone just dominate some incidents where if people acted within a framework of behavior, the hobby would progress, we would feel better, and at least down here, people would start attending model car contests again. Down here in soFla people are so diverse, I have seen many arguments take place over nothing on the floor of a model car contest. Great ambassadorship, and the same goes on this forum. After being married twice for a total of 35 years, I have attended many marriage counselor sessions to resolve marital differences and even family differences. I also separated the psychological clatter from real substance, and have come up with my own rules of behavior that I adopt no matter how hard it gets on forums. I have had my share of flame wars and believe me, nothing was ever resolved, and damage was done to the forum itself. So, here are my rules, and if some see some wisdom in any of them, or if it benefits just one person, the energy is worth it. No matter what, conflict is conflict whether it be family, spouses, friends, co workers, colleagues or neighbors. 1. I never swear at people when I am angry. As a matter of fact, when I am upset, I get quiet, rather than swearing even it not aimed an anyone. Talk about forming a lifelong resentment toward you. 2. I never attack the person, I attack the act. For example, I never call someone a liar, but will challenge a statement as either inaccurate, unfounded or untrue. When you attack a person, you are trying to kill their spirit. 3. I command respect by acting respectfully. I never assume people will respect me no matter what, I maintain my control, pride in myself to maintain cool under all duress, and that commands respect. I always try to keep my head and not lose my temper. 4. When I am in an argument, my goal is being HEARD, and not right-fighting. I have learned over the years, that people and perception of the same stimulant differ and often that leads to confrontation. 5. Learn to resolve differences and eliminate long term resentment or vindictiveness. You will not change people, they can only change themselves, and none of us are mavens to "teach other lessons" the hard way. We just ain't that close. 6. Last but not least, remember the hobby we share is nothing more than taking a pre-formed plastic model car kit, and using tools, paint, techniques, and guile build it into what we conceive as a finished model car of varying quality of workmanship, realism and aesthetics. Two alternatives are that each party agree to disagree or even one apologizes for huring the other, but not changing the content of one's beliefs. 7. This is the age of medical awareness, treatment and technology. Some of us are now ADHD, passive-agressive, bi=polar, and the list goes on and on. Others are on medication which affects our personality and attitude. A little tolerance goes a long way. Plus, now even age groups and cultures within us provide a sometimes wide chasm between us. For example, I shudder when someone addresses me as "dude" - frankly I hate it, but others tolerate and accept it or sometimes are even complimented by it. Put that into a million other situations, and it behooves us to show our maturity, class and composure we have lived right up to this date. Believe me, I have gotten much more satisfaction by controlling myself under dire circumstances rather that fall for the easy anger and temper loss. Pick you spots, don't let your spots pick you. 8. If you fight, remember that the pain you cause are to those around you. How many people know, respect, and regard both adversaries, which causes trouble. When people are presented with this choice, they run, or get into denial, and a few take sides, but none of those is a positive option. There is always loss. Minimize the loss by keeping the argument a disagreement. If you look at me, you would assume I am a big burly guy, but in reality I am quite the gentle person, as you can see on my facebook page. I have been accused by many of having a chip on my shoulder. What I do with people is not contain or conceal the irritation, but to directly address the issue, and wait for a reply. The choice remains in your court, and you are in control of your own behavior. But over the years, people have attempted to insult me personally, (as all of us have been), physically attacked by a model car contestant's mother after I won a contest, physcially threatened by a fellow judge during a judging, and a million other issues it seems, and all I can say, is "hey people this is just model cars" not nuclear war. I know from this thread that there are still teeming resentment. Try to seek a solution and go on with your life and pastime. Ken "FloridaBoy" Willaman
Jon Cole Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 I have lived for 62 years, a majority of it being in model cars and railroads. Both of which are mostly "guy" hobbies. Somehow most of us do not share our pastimes with women, maybe let them in once in a while, but basically our hobbies are "ours'. Over the years, I have seen testosterone just dominate some incidents where if people acted within a framework of behavior, the hobby would progress, we would feel better, and at least down here, people would start attending model car contests again. Down here in soFla people are so diverse, I have seen many arguments take place over nothing on the floor of a model car contest. Great ambassadorship, and the same goes on this forum. After being married twice for a total of 35 years, I have attended many marriage counselor sessions to resolve marital differences and even family differences. I also separated the psychological clatter from real substance, and have come up with my own rules of behavior that I adopt no matter how hard it gets on forums. I have had my share of flame wars and believe me, nothing was ever resolved, and damage was done to the forum itself. So, here are my rules, and if some see some wisdom in any of them, or if it benefits just one person, the energy is worth it. No matter what, conflict is conflict whether it be family, spouses, friends, co workers, colleagues or neighbors. 1. I never swear at people when I am angry. As a matter of fact, when I am upset, I get quiet, rather than swearing even it not aimed an anyone. Talk about forming a lifelong resentment toward you. 2. I never attack the person, I attack the act. For example, I never call someone a liar, but will challenge a statement as either inaccurate, unfounded or untrue. When you attack a person, you are trying to kill their spirit. 3. I command respect by acting respectfully. I never assume people will respect me no matter what, I maintain my control, pride in myself to maintain cool under all duress, and that commands respect. I always try to keep my head and not lose my temper. 4. When I am in an argument, my goal is being HEARD, and not right-fighting. I have learned over the years, that people and perception of the same stimulant differ and often that leads to confrontation. 5. Learn to resolve differences and eliminate long term resentment or vindictiveness. You will not change people, they can only change themselves, and none of us are mavens to "teach other lessons" the hard way. We just ain't that close. 6. Last but not least, remember the hobby we share is nothing more than taking a pre-formed plastic model car kit, and using tools, paint, techniques, and guile build it into what we conceive as a finished model car of varying quality of workmanship, realism and aesthetics. Two alternatives are that each party agree to disagree or even one apologizes for huring the other, but not changing the content of one's beliefs. 7. This is the age of medical awareness, treatment and technology. Some of us are now ADHD, passive-agressive, bi=polar, and the list goes on and on. Others are on medication which affects our personality and attitude. A little tolerance goes a long way. Plus, now even age groups and cultures within us provide a sometimes wide chasm between us. For example, I shudder when someone addresses me as "dude" - frankly I hate it, but others tolerate and accept it or sometimes are even complimented by it. Put that into a million other situations, and it behooves us to show our maturity, class and composure we have lived right up to this date. Believe me, I have gotten much more satisfaction by controlling myself under dire circumstances rather that fall for the easy anger and temper loss. Pick you spots, don't let your spots pick you. 8. If you fight, remember that the pain you cause are to those around you. How many people know, respect, and regard both adversaries, which causes trouble. When people are presented with this choice, they run, or get into denial, and a few take sides, but none of those is a positive option. There is always loss. Minimize the loss by keeping the argument a disagreement. If you look at me, you would assume I am a big burly guy, but in reality I am quite the gentle person, as you can see on my facebook page. I have been accused by many of having a chip on my shoulder. What I do with people is not contain or conceal the irritation, but to directly address the issue, and wait for a reply. The choice remains in your court, and you are in control of your own behavior. But over the years, people have attempted to insult me personally, (as all of us have been), physically attacked by a model car contestant's mother after I won a contest, physcially threatened by a fellow judge during a judging, and a million other issues it seems, and all I can say, is "hey people this is just model cars" not nuclear war. I know from this thread that there are still teeming resentment. Try to seek a solution and go on with your life and pastime. Ken "FloridaBoy" Willaman Ken- Your words are right on the money. Good enough to carve in stone. I didn't read the subject of Harry's message, don't need to. Ken's words still apply to all.
E St. Kruiser50 Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) Ok guys... I have just about had it with the juvenile BS that's been happening here lately. I just deleted two threads that were nothing but infantile ranting. I really don't have much more patience for this sort of nonsense. I don't care if you're 14 or 44... if you're going to be a jerk here, your membership will be terminated. You all know who you are. I'm not going to name names, but I will not put up with any more BS. GOOD JOB HARRY GLAD TO SEE YOU'RE USING YOUR "BULLITT" . No one here likes "Childish Ranting and Bad Mouthing", so if you "PUNCH THEIR TICKET" and send them on their way IF THEY DON'T CHANGE AND APOLOGISE, they and their disrespectful behavior won't be missed here one bit. THANKS HARRY FOR BEING A "STRAIGHT SHOOTER" . Edited October 27, 2009 by Treehugger Dave
RodBurNeR Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 I don't see any reason to be mad at Harry, it's not like he has it out for anyone here. Harry is doing his job which I am sure he hates to do. I don't know what happened and I don't care, but if people can't be mature and respect everyone else by leaving the drama outside of the forum then they should just leave. This comes back to the other post about OFF TOPIC stuff I was replying to. It seems like everyday I come here there is more drama, if not just a few times a week which is ridiculous! Harry and Gregg are much more patient than I am. I own and run 2 forums and am adopting one out due to time constrictions. I also run and own some yahoo groups. I deal with hundreds of different personalities every single day. It's not an easy job. I treat everyone equally. I don't however have much tolerance for repetative idiocy that is obviously out of range and disrespectful to myself or the community I am in. I am saying...you can only put up with the same disregard to your job so many times and then it's over... Whoever this is about.....respect Harry's job and this forum or leave, simple as that. Maybe the troublemakers can join up with the other forums that are inhabited by morons. (not name calling, just how it is) Harry I don't blame you a bit for letting it out, do what ya gotta do.....the only people that would be upset are the few who contribute the same garbage.
FujimiLover Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) We all know the golden rule. "Treat others the way you want to be treated." At the same time, don't be rude just because somebody's being rude to you. "He started it!" is NOT an excuse! Plus what Ken said! Edited October 27, 2009 by FujimiLover
FloridaBoy Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Sometimes in model car contests and the jerks are running amok, and the testosterone is rampant in the air, and people are blasting other's work and extolling the virtues of their own, and no one is listening to the other, plus the egomaniacs are putting on their matinee, I just say to myself, "Treat others with dignity and respect, treat yourself with dignity and respect, expect dignity and respect from others, nothing more" a million times. If I had a penny everytime I have said this over the past few years, I would be the sole owner of AMT, Revell, Lindberg, General Motors, Ford and Chrysler. If a situation gets untenable and the personalities involved are too strong and idiotic, just walk away and you maintain control. Let your work on the table do your talking. Down here in South Florida, this contest scene is run by a few despots who have shown rampant favoritism, and all of the negative attributes I have described, and there is no one to take up an alternate, so it is just wait it out until someone else decides to run a contest. The one club who threw the absolute best contest this side of NNL and Salt Lake disbanded due to ego battles, and the other had personalities which discouraged new membership. I watched a group of the most recent practically destroy a potential modeler who was into doinks, and got so discouraged by the comments. I am not a doink lover myself, but tried to find redeeming value in the workmanship, color combos, and the fact that they were decent models. Ken "FloridaBoy" Willaman
FujimiLover Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 What's a doink? Never heard of that term before.
FujimiLover Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) He meant "donk"... Sorry, I still don't get it. PM me with explanation please? I don't want to fill this thread with unrelated topics. Thank you! Anyway, back on subject! Edited October 27, 2009 by FujimiLover
george 53 Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 a "doink" is a DOG that OINKS, yeeesh, I thought EVERYBODY knew that! ( Harry, ya need another bullet? I got a whole trunk full of 7.62's if ya need one!)( or a couple! )
elan Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Harry, we don't need to put up with that stuff, just ban them. Let them go to some other forum they put up with that stuff.
Harry P. Posted October 27, 2009 Author Posted October 27, 2009 Banning someone is only a last resort. If someone continues to push the limits after they've been warned, then they may get banned. But if someone who caused a problem behaves himself after being warned, then everything is fine.
Zoom Zoom Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Harry, we don't need to put up with that stuff, just ban them. Let them go to some other forum they put up with that stuff. Unless/until they're banned, most of the "usual suspects" end up on my "ignored users" list. I can open some of these threads and see nothing, because every one of the goofballs is on my "ignore" list
Harry P. Posted October 27, 2009 Author Posted October 27, 2009 Making use of the "ignore" feature is a good way to "ban" anyone from the site. In case any of you didn't realize that you have that option... you do!
MikeMc Posted October 27, 2009 Posted October 27, 2009 Unless/until they're banned, most of the "usual suspects" end up on my "ignored users" list. I can open some of these threads and see nothing, because every one of the goofballs is on my "ignore" list Well said Bob
Nova-ss Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 I don't know what was said about this Trans Am post.but I don't say I don't like bad language and putting people down.I'm thankful that this is watch over by Harry so we can have a good look and learn something we don't know.I have never seen anything good come from putting others down.....so thank you,Chris
Merkur XR4Ti Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 (edited) Harry, don't be too shy about banning. The Hobby Heaven board has been wracked by stuff like this for quite some time; if there continue to be problems after a warning, whack the offenders and be done with it. I moderate a message board myself and life is too short to allow repeat idiots to ruin the board experience for the rest. I have no patience for this stuff any more. I am getting cranky in my dotage. Edited October 28, 2009 by Merkur XR4Ti
Jantrix Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 I think Harry is right about the ban stick being used as a last resort. It was used frequently for first time offenses back on that other forum, the one that is like a ghost town now. It didn't work out so well. I think we have a great range of builders in both skill level and age. Any time you have that range you're eventually gonna have problems. However, Harry dealt with it quickly and decisively, with the appropriate level of admin a-whoopin'. As for the ignore function, I haven't used it, for fear that the person who irritates me today, tomorrow will have something useful to say. Nuff said.
Zoom Zoom Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 You can still read posts from people on your iggy list, but only if you choose to do so. What the "Ignore User" function does, essentially, is assume you don't want to read posts from the people on your ignore list and makes that the default position. If there is a post from someone you've ignored that you think might be useful and you decide you want to open and read it, you can open it very easily. Works great. I highly recommend it. Exactly! No need to fear missing anything. When their hidden post shows up in a thread (you will only see "You have chosen to ignore all posts from: yada yada), there are two links in their post, the top one to "view this post", the one below it to "Un-ignore yada yada". Click on the one that you feel appropriate.
buba39 Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 i look at it like this if u cant behave like a grown up DONT COME HERE if u dont like some ones build fine dont bash them
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