Mopar Missile Duster 4/9 Update

[Terry Sumner]

maybe someone should offer a set of non wrinkled wrinkle wall slicks, for the static model?

Actually, I wish a resin caster would offer a line of different sized wrinkle walls with the correct wrinkles for a car at rest. like this....

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[caine440]

That would be cool.

[oldscool]

This model is just getting better and better. I can't see anything wrong with the decals.

gus

[dwc43]

No offense taken.

I struggled with the idea myself. I really like the idea of adding a driver and am looking for a resin little guy to put in there.

I do like the look of the tires and the size of them as compared to other tires I have seen.

Thanks for the input.

SMBC and Competition Resin has drivers. One of them has two heads with different helmets.

[dwc43]

i really like the way this is coming out

maybe someone should offer a set of non wrinkled wrinkle wall slicks, for the static model?

as for getting a driver,check out the monogram "stock car plus" series

they contain one stock car of varried breeds (i know i have a ford in my stash and the pontiac in my avatar was found in one of those kits) a race jack, a large toolcart and a smaller toolbox to sit on top of it, a few very nively molded impact guns, a nascar style fuel can (and oil catch can?) a acetelyn (i think) tank and the board the put the info on in pitlane,

oh and a driver

(theres a buick on ebay for 18.00 dollars shipped)

Without seeing it I think that is the fuel catch can that goes on the back of the car during fueling. The tank is compressed nitrogen. They use it to fill the tires and run the impact guns during pit stops. No water in nitrogen to ruin the guns or cause handling problems as moisture boils off inside the tires. That's why they use it.

[diymirage]

Without seeing it I think that is the fuel catch can that goes on the back of the car during fueling. The tank is compressed nitrogen. They use it to fill the tires and run the impact guns during pit stops. No water in nitrogen to ruin the guns or cause handling problems as moisture boils off inside the tires. That's why they use it.

that could very well be

im not very well schooled in nascar, growing up around formula one, WRC and similar types of racing nascar has always kinda had the feel of amatuer night to me (probably because thier fear of rain, i never could get passed the idea of serious racer car drivers not being skilled enough to race in the rain)

but i digress

[caine440]

Thanks for the info!

[dwc43]

that could very well be

im not very well schooled in nascar, growing up around formula one, WRC and similar types of racing nascar has always kinda had the feel of amatuer night to me (probably because thier fear of rain, i never could get passed the idea of serious racer car drivers not being skilled enough to race in the rain)

but i digress

It's not the skill, it's the equipment. Just not made for it. But, they did try to use wipers and rain tires on a road course as an exp. I did not see it, so I don't know how it turned out. I guess it failed. I sent out a package for you too. Sorry for the delay.

[dwc43]

Thanks for the info!

Welcome,anytime.

[diymirage]

It's not the skill, it's the equipment. Just not made for it. But, they did try to use wipers and rain tires on a road course as an exp. I did not see it, so I don't know how it turned out. I guess it failed. I sent out a package for you too. Sorry for the delay.

id hate to get into the whole "stock" car debat but the charger i have sitting in my garage has not one but (count em) two windshieldwipers on it, even DTM cars (who are about as far removed from thier homolageted namesakes as the nascars of today to thiers) have one wiper

just saying

as for the hood , thanks

dont worry to much about the delay, i have tons of different projects going on and this will not hold me up at all, plenty else to work on

[Reliable Resin]

A quick update.

I can not decide if I want to keep the decals as is or replace them as I am not totally happy with them. I also can not decide if I should clear over them.

Still need to make the glass and finish the bumpers and hood. Then it will be the little details before calling it done.

Thanks for looking!

Roger GREAT PROGRESS ,,, lookin' gud !!!

I really like those "Fenton Bead Locks" ( on the rear ).. nice touch

As far as the Wrinkle Walls ,, well the way that I've designed them , the builder as 2 options of presentation *either the way the tires look Rolling into the Staging Lane OR the way the tires look @ launch , that pic of the Panella's Anglia,,,, I've found it to be "rare" that the tire look "semi flat" like that pics shows ( however, I could be wrong )

I personally feel that the tire Wrinkle either @ the approach or the launch is "personal preference", & adds a dynamic look to a static model

As far as the period correct "Driver",

Roger, email me & I'll flip you a few pics of our latest NEW ( realistic looking )

driver figurines w/ period correct Helmets

We also have a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT regarding our 9th year anniversary !!!

Thanks for making that P/S Duster Resin Trans Kit LOOK SO WICKED !

Build ON !

Don

www.ReliableResin.com

Edited April 16, 2011 by Reliable Resin

[Terry Sumner]

As far as the Wrinkle Walls ,, well the way that I've designed them , the builder as 2 options of presentation *either the way the tires look Rolling into the Staging Lane OR the way the tires look @ launch , that pic of the Panella's Anglia,,,, I've found it to be "rare" that the tire look "semi flat" like that pics shows ( however, I could be wrong )

I personally feel that the tire Wrinkle either @ the approach or the launch is "personal preference", & adds a dynamic look to a static model

Don,

While you are absolutely correct that personal preference is a matter of taste, I have to say that the wrinkles on the slicks as you have them are incorrect for "Rolling into the staging lanes". Those wrinkles ONLY depict a drag car under HARD launch and nothing else. It's simply a matter of torque forces applied to the thin sidewalls that cause the wrinkles as you have them modeled. It is not "rare" to see a wrinkle wall slick at rest looking semi flat as in the Panella photo. Just exactly how flat they appear at rest is simply a product of how much air pressure is in the tire. While many wrinkle wall slicks may have enough air pressure in them to show hardly any wrinkling in them at rest, they will all exhibit the singularly directional wrinkles as depicted in the tires on this model at launch and at launch only.

Terry

[caine440]

Like you said Terry it is just personal choice.

I like the look for this build and I will use them on the Challenger that is next in line. Next few builds are some old superstockers that I am sure I'll have more then a few inaccuracys on those as well, but I'll do the best I can and as long as I am happy with them on the old shelf I am ok with that.

Thanks everyone for you comments as always!

[W117monte]

This build is looking good! As far as the wrinkles go a slick with lower air pressure can have wrinkles while stationary. If the car has a spool, and the car is in mid turn, one side will even wrinkle backwards!

Caine, whats the difference between Mopar Missile and Motown Missile? Were they owned by the same guy?

[dwc43]

Caine, whats the difference between Mopar Missile and Motown Missile? Were they owned by the same guy?

IIRC, these were factory test cars and NHRA kept hitting them with weight penalties cause they were unstoppable. Mopar had enough and ended the program. One of the crew kept or bought one of the cars, but Mopar would not let them use the name, so it was changed to the Motown Missile. It was based out of Mi. anyways. I read a nice write up on these cars, I'll post a link to it if I can find it.

[Terry Sumner]

The story here... http://www.allpar.com/racing/missile/missile.html

[caine440]

The Allpar site is one of my favorites.

Great info.

The first Motown Missile was the 70 Challenger. Then the 71 Challenger and 72 Cuda. The Mopar Missiles were the Dusters. Don Carlton the drove the car under his own name bodied as a Dodge. Great cars.

Thanks again!

Edited April 17, 2011 by caine440

[Mark Brown]

Actually, I wish a resin caster would offer a line of different sized wrinkle walls with the correct wrinkles for a car at rest. like this....

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While I certainly agree with your point about the wrinklewalls, Terry, I'm about 99% convinced that the Anglia photo isn't representative. I've looked through a couple hundred photos of vintage racecars and what I saw - or didn't see - backs up my gut reaction, which is that the car in the photo has severely underinflated tires and would never have been raced like that, and if it was, it probably wasn't done more than once.

Anglias were (are) hard enough to control - enough so that the NHRA essentially outlawed them for several years due to their abbreviated wheelbase - and that car would have been virtually undriveable with that low air pressure. At speed, as the tires returned to their full diameter due to centrifugal force, the car would have moved around on the sidewalls and been more than a handful to drive. In my car, just a couple pounds difference on the low side - unnoticeable to the eye - made it a real attention-getter as it wandered around on the sidewalls at 140mph.

Edited April 18, 2011 by Mark Brown

[Terry Sumner]

While I certainly agree with your point about the wrinklewalls, Terry, I'm about 99% convinced that the Anglia photo isn't representative. I've looked through a couple hundred photos of vintage racecars and what I saw - or didn't see - backs up my gut reaction, which is that the car in the photo has severely underinflated tires and would never have been raced like that, and if it was, it probably wasn't done more than once.

Anglias were (are) hard enough to control - enough so that the NHRA essentially outlawed them for several years due to their abbreviated wheelbase - and that car would have been virtually undriveable with that low air pressure. At speed, as the tires returned to their full diameter due to centrifugal force, the car would have moved around on the sidewalls and been more than a handful to drive. In my car, just a couple pounds difference on the low side - unnoticeable to the eye - made it a real attention-getter as it wandered around on the sidewalls at 140mph.

Yes Mark...you're right that the Panella car's tires are severely under inflated. However, if one chooses to depict wrinkles at rest....this is how ANY wrinkles on a car at rest should be depicted. The degree at which the wrinkles are pronounced and subsequently depicted is a result of how much air pressure is in the tires of course. Most of the wrinkle walled slicks at rest don't show much wrinkling at all. But my point in all of this is that the DIRECTIONAL wrinkling on a car at rest is incontroversially wrong.

Here's a few more to illustrate the varying degrees of tire pressure and the resulting degrees of wrinkles...Notice how the wrinkles extend out in BOTH directions from the center.

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This one is milliseconds prior to the green light!

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And this one of course is under hard launch. Pretty easy to see the differences.

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[caine440]

Soo Terry you do not like my choice of tires?? :lol: :lol: Just checking.

How about the rest of the car?

I am hoping to have it done tonight.

Thanks for the comments!

[Terry Sumner]

Roger,

Please don't take my comments as a criticism of your model...I love it! The model you built is VERY good! Rather, the thread turned into a discussion about wrinkle walled slicks in their general application. I kind of have a thing about trying to get car modelers to strive for more accuracy in their builds. This comes from my airplane modeling where those guys are sticklers for accuracy. As a result, they get kits that have MUCH more fine detail molded in...and they are in smaller scales! 1/48th scale is HALF our normal scale of 1/25 - 1/24th! We car modelers as a whole don't cry out for accuracy from the kit makers and aftermarket producers anywhere near as much as the airplane modelers do. As a result our car models are sorely lacking in fine detail. They look "soft" in the crispness of the fine detail I seek. Although it has happened a few times where a car model has been manufactured wrong and then corrected because of input from buyers, this scenario occurs a LOT more with airplane models. New airplane kits come out with crappy detail....the model doesn't sell! A new car model comes out...like the 68 Nova with all kinds of inaccuracies...and we all still rush out and buy them. And further, when someone points out those inaccuracies, others will jump on that guy and say we should be happy to have the kit in the first place! What does that tell the manufacturer?

Anyway, I apologize for hijacking your thread...I should have started a new one to discuss wrinkle walls!

[Force]

Very nice, I like what I see so far.