Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 Steve, but you would have to agree that everywhere you turn, the shiny tends to get the attention (and clearly lots of shiny models deserve all the attention they get), but I'm trying to do the same for the non-shiny. That's all I'm trying to do, new section or not.
sjordan2 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) On 2/1/2012 at 11:45 PM, Wheelman said: Well - how many of those kits do you buy a year? i guess that's a moot point! Donn, you should apologize to Harry! Sitting on his wallet is agitating his syotic nerve, it had nothing to do with his cheapness! Have you ever spent the typical $1000+ for a Pocher kit? Edited February 1, 2012 by sjordan2
SuperStockAndy Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 11:50 PM, Dr. Cranky said: Steve, but you would have to agree that everywhere you turn, the shiny tends to get the attention (and clearly lots of shiny models deserve all the attention they get), but I'm trying to do the same for the non-shiny. That's all I'm trying to do, new section or not. This. I personally think shiny models are overrated. I appreciate all the polishing that goes into them...but IMO it takes more skill to do a rusty build.
Harry P. Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 11:45 PM, Wheelman said: Well - how many of those kits do you buy a year? i guess that's a moot point! Donn, you should apologize to Harry! Sitting on his wallet is agitating his syotic nerve, it had nothing to do with his cheapness! Technically, I don't even have a wallet. Haven't used a wallet since I was a kid. And I think you mean the sciatic nerve, Dr. Wheeler...
Dr. Cranky Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 11:25 PM, Wheelman said: So, if both types of builds can co-exist, why are you campaigning for segregation of the two? Sounds to me like you are attempting to paint your way out of your rusty corner now. I'm pretty sure I am not campaigning for segregation of the two. Remember, I live in two corners: rusty and shiny
SuperStockAndy Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 11:55 PM, Scale-Master said: Have you actually done a rusty build? I've tried. And failed.
Harry P. Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 11:56 PM, Wheelman said: No - I haven't. What does that have to do w/ anything? I will admit I am intrigued by them & If I decide that I want to try one, I will. Do it. You won't be sorry. Trust me. If you have the skills needed to build one, believe me... it's about as good as it gets as far as model building goes. The satisfaction you'll get from building one is worth the price of admission.
SuperStockAndy Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 11:58 PM, Scale-Master said: How about the second part of my question? Ever polished out a model car paint job? I've tried. And failed.
sjordan2 Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 11:56 PM, Wheelman said: No - I haven't. What does that have to do w/ anything? I will admit I am intrigued by them & If I decide that I want to try one, I will. If you knew anything about Pocher kits, you would know what it has do do with anything and what it has to do with your post.
Scale-Master Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 11:58 PM, Harry P. said: Do it. You won't be sorry. Trust me. If you have the skills needed to build one, believe me... it's about as good as it gets as far as model building goes. The satisfaction you'll get from building one is worth the price of admission. I agree. You may never want to build another, but the sense of accomplishment it well worth the effort and investment. But $1000.00 is a bit steep, I paid $300.00 for my Pocher adventures. The right kit, in unmolested condition, and I might be persuaded to go for it... even at that amount.
crazyjim Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Holy cow. I go out to the shop to work on some models for a few hours and come back to 8 pages of posts. I follow the Jantrix school of thought with viewing new content, so a new section wouldn't really do anything for me. I will leave with one thought - SHINY :) RULES!
Dr. Cranky Posted February 2, 2012 Author Posted February 2, 2012 On 2/1/2012 at 11:59 PM, SuperStockAndy said: I've tried. And failed. Andy, and what do you think the rest of us have done? Failure is part of the learning process. And my point is you should be as proud of your failures as you are of your success! Weathering a vehicle (or rusting one) is never a nerve-wrecking science the way getting a perfect, spotless and miles deep gloss is on a flawless paint job. We all start at failure and move from there, and I believe this.
Dr. Cranky Posted February 2, 2012 Author Posted February 2, 2012 On 2/2/2012 at 12:02 AM, crazyjim said: Holy cow. I go out to the shop to work on some models for a few hours and come back to 8 pages of posts. I follow the Jantrix school of thought with viewing new content, so a new section wouldn't really do anything for me. I will leave with one thought - SHINY :) RULES! LOL, Jim, you are showing your passion again! :lol:
Harry P. Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 On 2/2/2012 at 12:02 AM, crazyjim said: I will leave with one thought - SHINY :) RULES! Yeah, yeah, Jim... we know!
SuperStockAndy Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) On 2/2/2012 at 12:04 AM, Dr. Cranky said: Andy, and what do you think the rest of us have done? Failure is part of the learning process. And my point is you should be as proud of your failures as you are of your success! Weathering a vehicle (or rusting one) is never a nerve-wrecking science the way getting a perfect, spotless and miles deep gloss is on a flawless paint job. We all start at failure and move from there, and I believe this. You got a point. On 2/2/2012 at 12:04 AM, Scale-Master said: You tried and failed at both. So how can you assess which is the one that requires more skill? Because I know what it's like, in my mind And I know because when I DID try it, I found rusting to be more complaicated Edited February 2, 2012 by SuperStockAndy
Romell R Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I think this whole rust only idea is great! it'll teach those of us who dont weather good a whole new type of modling , I say lets do it and of course I'll ask Gregg if we can have a new section.
Dr. Cranky Posted February 2, 2012 Author Posted February 2, 2012 Romell, you are right about LEARNING. Fresh new ideas (and I am not saying rusting a vehicle is either new or MY idea) but I'm also talking about a place where we stay fresh in terms of the imagination. And being inclusive with subject matter really helps recruit new talent to the hobby.
Psychographic Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) On 2/1/2012 at 11:51 PM, SuperStockAndy said: This. I personally think shiny models are overrated. I appreciate all the polishing that goes into them...but IMO it takes more skill to do a rusty build. If you've ever done any extensive bodywork on a model you wouldn't say that. Yes, I will admit a weathered paint scheme is labor intensive, but it also hides a ton of sin. A shiny paintjob over a kit that has been highly modified is way more work than a flat and rusty one. Edited February 2, 2012 by Psychographic
Dr. Cranky Posted February 2, 2012 Author Posted February 2, 2012 Dave, I feel like you feel. Improving is an on-going process, which is why I invested in Donn's videos and other sources too that keeps me trying to get it right, to get it perfect. Along the way you find out that what matters most is the way there, NOT the getting there. Which is also why I tell every body who starts building models to always keep their first couple of builds, to put them in a shrine, and every day, after every new build to put the first and last on the table and see how the learning curve is going, how the journey is going. Well, you get my point. Even the best builders here are still learning, otherwise why would you ever continue doing something. Love alone ain't going to carry you all the way there.
LoneWolf15 Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Harry , You're not too cheap , note the cost of a Pocher kit , right ? Just teasin' as usual , Tinman ! Just my opinion , if I were laying out $1000.00 plus for a kit , I'd figure out a way to lay down an immaculate paint job each and every time ! Hint ! Hint ! Lmao !
Harry P. Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 On 2/2/2012 at 12:28 AM, LoneWolf15 said: Harry , You're not too cheap , note the cost of a Pocher kit , right ? Just teasin' as usual , Tinman ! Just my opinion , if I were laying out $1000.00 plus for a kit , I'd figure out a way to lay down an immaculate paint job each and every time ! Hint ! Hint ! Lmao ! Ok, you win! I'm gonna get me a Donn Yost DVD. PM me. I'll give you my home address and you can send me the DVD. Let me know where to send the check.
Jairus Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I'm trying to remember anytime I posted a thread that went nine pages in 7 hours.... ? Sheesh!!!
Chuck Most Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 On 2/2/2012 at 12:23 AM, Psychographic said: If you've ever done any extensive bodywork on a model you wouldn't say that. Yes, I will admit a weathered paint scheme is labor intensive, but it also hides a ton of sin. A shiny paintjob over a kit that has been highly modified is way more work than a flat and rusty one. Indeed- a rough finish can hide all sorts of rough bodywork. But I will say that all else being equal, getting a nice, glossy paint job is just as much work as getting one looking like it sat for 40 years in an overgrown field. You are just focusing your efforts and attention differently.
Scale-Master Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 There's a good point. When you think you have learned or know it all, you are really just cheating yourself out of being able to improve. I may have learned a lot, but I am always trying to learn more ways to do things better or quicker or easier. Or just plain new things.
SuperStockAndy Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 On 2/2/2012 at 12:23 AM, Psychographic said: If you've ever done any extensive bodywork on a model you wouldn't say that. Yes, I will admit a weathered paint scheme is labor intensive, but it also hides a ton of sin. A shiny paintjob over a kit that has been highly modified is way more work than a flat and rusty one. I haven't. I meant about shiny paintjobs, not all the bodywork. I know how much is involved in bodywork. On 2/2/2012 at 12:16 AM, DoubleD said: i'm not suprised to see answers like this from Andy. i've been trying to get nice smooth paintjobs on my models since i started building and painting them. personally i think i still suck at it and need to learn a lot. it's only been recently that i've made an effort to learn a new skill and with each model i do i think i'm getting better. the first one? horrible. the last one? i still think it's horrible but it's a lot better than the first effort, i still think i have a ways to go however. Andy, i think if you'd stop and actually read/listen to what guys like Mark are telling you, you'd have no problem understanding and you might just learn something, maybe. Please explain. And most people like Mark aren't giving me any BUILDING tips, Mark never would because according to him I'm a sloppy builder.
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