Here It Is

[Smart-Resins]

Hello. I would like to take a moment to introduce you to a poject that will be part of History. Several poeple are about to embark on a adventure of a lifetime! We plan on replicating a real life Hemi Hydro Drag Racing Boat. This project will be taken on by several Scale Automotive Artisians, Engineers, Draftsmen, Aftermarket Resin casters, Aftermarket Decal producers, Production Vacuum Formers, Machinests and even a very talented individual who has history in making models for the movies as well as poeple who have history in drag racing! Several of us has awards in the automotive realm including best of show and best of class. These people are very talented and we will strive to bring to the modeling realm the first ever 1/16 scale replica of this Drag Racing Boat in Fine Scale Modeling. We will strive to achieve the highest quality possible by our means.

We will begin with a 3D rendered model of a real Hydro Boat designed just this year for a racing team. We will then break this 3D model down to make both verticle and horizontal cross sections every 1/4".These 3D cross sections will be able to be printed out individually and transferred to Bass Wood. These cross sections will then be fitted together to make a "grid" pattern for the boat. This will be filled in with Automotive Bondo and sanded to the proper contours. There will be both a Male "Buck" and Female "Buck" produced. These will then be used to produce the copied Hull in two sections. The motor is being created in plastic and Bondo and will then be casted in RTV. The finely detailed parts will be sent to another caster who does casting in a pressure pot to ensure the detail will be kept. There will be several parts scratch built or etched for reproduction of this amazing boat. The end result will be a entire boat kit. You will have the choice to either buy the boat with the vintage Hemi engine or without so you can chose your own Power train. The only thing we hope that you will have to do is to build the kit and show it off.

This project will entail hundreds of dollars to be completed. In order for us to make this kit available at a reasonable price to you, the public. We are asking for donations to the cause to help see the project through.These donations will help ensure the final cost will be kept to a minimum.Those who have contributed in any fashion will get recognition for thier help in the project. So please consider being a part of modeling history and contributing to this cause.

Thank You,

Smokey Mountain Miniatures

[RJWood]

when production of the kits has started, will it be a limited production of say less than 1,000 units.

And also, I don't mean to sound negative ( I like the idea of a Drag boat) why not a Historically significant automotive

subject?

Thanks.

Ron

[CAL]

Yeah, I don't mean to sound negative either, but it doesn't sound real thought out yet.

[Smart-Resins]

Yeah, I don't mean to sound negative either, but it doesn't sound real thought out yet.

I really am confused by this lack of understanding by you, not to sound rude.Have you ever even began to tink about how to completely scratch build a new subject matter.How would you do it? How would you put a kit together. I have as stated in the prior subject matter been deeling with several known poeple in different arenas to ensure this project will be able to come to fruitation. We have all of the steps lined up to complete it. The only thing we have left "open" at this very moment if wether it will be a vacuum formed hull to keep the cost cheep or a complete resin kit wich will meen alot more money to purchase a kit. We are waitng for feedback from poeple just like you to figure out what is most wanted and what would be most markatable.I believe a non-thought out plan would sound like jeeze guys, I want to build a boat, but I dont know how.Who wants one? That would be rather rediculous would it now? I would not begin to think about taking money until we are set to move forward with a legitimate plan. I see it as you are just a non-believer that someone small can make something like this happen without selling the idea to Revell. Sorry, but there is a large aftermarket market out there these days and many resources to accomplish what anyone wants.Its just a matter of getting the people and resources needed in line wich we have.

For RJWOOD, the production will actually be quite smaller then that. We are looking at just a hundred kits say.Unless the unforseen happens and poeple go crazy over it on Ebay.However at the cost of a kit, I highly doubt that!You also ask a boat instead of yet another car. There are several car kits available at the moment, but there are no 1/16 scale plastic(resin) boat kits available.Thus this will create its own niche and help sales as it will be a very rare item and actually be valuable once it is out of production.Also with the success of this the doors will be opened for me to go on with plans on creating Tom McEwens Mongoose Vette funny car body and Chevy funny car body as well as hopefully a Mustang II Funny car body opening up more options in the future for the 1/16 scale modelers. As with any new business, one must start somehweres to build upon. Without something special, it may never get aground properly.Thanks.

[ramonesblues]

Dude, you need spell check really, really bad!

[CAL]

See I think you are going about it backwards. You decided to build a boat without doing your market research first. You need to write to your audience. You are writing to yourself at this time. A big mistake. For starters why a 1/16 th scale? Why not 1/12? why not 1/24 - 1/25th scale? Why not something bigger. Maybe there is a reason why there are no 1/16th scale boats - no body or few are interested in one. Who exactly are going to buy them? Is your target car modelers? Boat builders? I may not seem like a big deal but trust me when I say it is, and it's going to determine the scale and media of the kit.

“I believe a non-thought out plan would sound like jeeze guys, I want to build a boat, but I don’t know how. Who wants one? That would be rather ridiculous would it now?†It is ridiculous because you need to ask that question first.

I like the idea of a drag or hydroplane boat, but I don't think I would get one because it doesn't fit scale wise. It's too big to go with any of the more common scale cars and trucks and too small for a stand-alone display. Personally I would like to see one in either a much bigger scale or 1/24 - 1/25 scale. In other words, just because there isn't X in this scale doesn't mean it will sell, but don't take my word for it. Do your market research and then decide what scale before coming in with blazing guns and say this is what it is, what do you think? You are getting a very predictable reaction from people.

Depending on your reader (builder) and scale the construction is going to be different. Are you so sure you want to do a vacuum formed hull? How many is that going to scare away in itself? However, I agree that chunk of resin that big isn't the way to go either.

However, there are other ways around this, but again it depends on the audience. Some of your described process doesn’t exactly make sense to me. With all these resources at your fingertips – let’s just say something didn’t add up for me, and some things were just plan absurd, which begs the question to be asked?

Have you ever build a bigger scale model boat? Airplane? If you haven’t you should because that experience will go a long way with this project. To me it sounds, but I could be wrong, but it sounds like you haven’t even talked to anyone about it much less did it yourself. Why did I ask about airplanes? Because they are strikingly similar to boat building.

I also don't believe a model kit needs a big name behind it to become a success, nor am I non-believer. I have work with a few people to produce garage kits before. I DO know what it takes. Notwithstanding, you need to be much stronger than that to crack like this over some critique and criticism.

The second problem without your market research done is production. How many? You can’t do a limited run and sell it as a limited run without making it a limited run. Or you are you, like so many who have fallen in the past, just going to make a jillion only to have them sit around on the selves? Or do you make it special and number them 1 of 100 and limited production to that?

The other thing that is not fair to people is do make something like this and then stop and make something entirely different. No plans to do additional boats? What is this funny car business. It seems much more profitable and lucrative than the boat. You can always do the boat later, but I am not going to tell you how to do it. You asked, remember?

There is just a lot to cover and it doesn’t sound real thought through. It’s thin at best. I’d be happy to answer any further questions.

BTW who is Smokey Mountain Miniatures? Don’t they do trains? What is the relationship? And a little name-dropping probably wouldn’t hurt.

HTH Cheers

Edited November 19, 2007 by CAL

[CAL]

Dude, you need spell check really, really bad!

I didn't want to say anything, but since you brought it up: it is NOT helping the guy's sitiuation.

[Modelmartin]

My personal opinion for all that it is worth (little!); I don't do big scale, I don't do boats, and I find it really, REALLY odd that contibutions are being asked for. That is really flaky. If it is that significant and historic and that many bigshots involved than perhaps it can be run as an actual business enterprise and finance it yourself and put the product on the market and make some sales.

Spellcheck! How about grammar and usage check also!

[Smart-Resins]

Well thank you for the replies. No, I have not cracked yet.Being raised in NY, one would know if I cracked and was going to go off.We New Yorkers pride ourselves in " Our God Given Right" as stated in Ghost Busters!! As for the poeple involved, they are not Weird Al, or Boyd or anything.Just poeple with great talents and have a small name for themselves. Sometimes things sound better then they are. If someone was to tell you that they worked doing cartoons and did some of the artwork for Cars, you would think WOW!! However more often then not, in those jobs, your career is only as long as that film is being created.Then you are un-employed for who knows how long until you may get lucky and find another gig to work on.I know, a friend of mine had this exact problem. Thus, some though very talented with titles or bragging rights may not have much funding. this is as you may be able to think about, a expensive adventure just for a few models. As I stated with what we have so far, funding is not needed, but also as stated, any contributions of any kind including time and scratch building would be of benefit, or sponsor ships for that matter. I already stated the obvious with that. Now as for the market research. Many resin casters are specific to what they do. Wether it be customs or drags or parts or chassis or engines and they very seldom stray from that. I am a 1/16 scale builder.That is my interest. I also love racing models.By that I mean drag racing models of any sort. This drag boat included. Thus it still remains within my interest. Yes, I could do 1/8 however there are far fewer 1/8 scale modeler then there are 1/16. Why do you think there are only 1 dozen 1/8 scale kits available. However there are many more 1/16 scale kits available.Why, because that market is much larger. No I would never think of doing a small scale boat. There are many kits of this available in small scale.Just a few months ago this magazine had a nice article on that. I would have no niche there! Nor could I say the only resin/plastic one available on the market yet. There is a guy west that has started doing boats in this scale however his stuff is all die-cast. There are many of us modelers who do not touch die-cast.We prefer modeling in plastic and resin.As for building wooden airplanes, I have built a 1/8 scale Fokker and a piper cub. I also have plans on eventually building the snow hawk, a very rare plane. However those skills I see have little to do with this as I am building a plastic boat, not a wooden boat. Chris Craft does a supurb job on those and one would need a laser cutting machine for that.Several hundred dollars for a small and cheap set up. My methods are very simular to those used to do real boats or real fiberglass cars.Other then I will not be doing mesh work.Instead of covering the frame work with wire mesh then coating it with fiberglass, I will be filling it in with bondo and smoothing it out.This method is proven.Please view largescalemodeler.There is a person there that had a Porshe litterally laser scanned then a 3d rendering done.Took this and cut it into cross sections and continued with the method I described here. However we do not have thousands of dollars to scan a boat.However we do have access to a 3d model (cad drawing) of the boat. That is what we will be going by.The research for customer base is what I am doing now before I do start on the project to find out if it would be of more interest to do vacuum forming rather then resin.The top of the boat would be rather difficult to cast in resin without a good chance of warpage and for the expense that is a huge risk. The vacuum forming also runs a risk of the top half not forming wit the bottom just right if there is not enough care taken on the table. I want to ensure the best quality we can offer at the cheapest conceivable price. Due to us being such a small group and mainly being myself, wich is SmokeyMountainMiniatures, doing the work at large and flipping a large percentage of the bill I am askig for help to get this going. I honestly would rather ask for help in donations or sponsorships then to have to ask for retainers on the kits. I feel as though having to ask for a retainer on the kit would drastically hurt sales.However I am also not above that.To be honest I am the same as many builders. I make little wage, have a larger family and am usually just making ends meat.Otherwise I would flip the entire bill in a heart beat.If nead be I will, however then that means a tremendous amount of time to achieve this and a large possability of everyone around it losing interest in it.As for SmokeyMountainMiniatures. that is something I am just starting as I dabble some in resin. I have currently a 1/8 scale duplication of the Triumph Drag bikes finned side cover as I am building a 1/8 scale twin engine drag bike.I had a engine from the drag bike and one from the tiger kit.I needed a copy so both engines would match. I am doing a set of cragars for someone for 1/16 funny cars. These will be made available. I am also doing a diferent style of cragars also in 1/16 for the funny cars as well. I also have accepted commissioned work. As stated I hope to do a hand full of car bodies.All of these will be limited in number.Being so small, it has to be a limited production.None of us has the capability or the resources for rapid proto typing or injection molds like Revell. That would cost $50,000-$60,000 just to get the intitail equipment! I figure a few models built and sold to those already requested and the rest sold on Ebay to cover the costs. 1-100 is much more of what we are doing.So yes they will be very limited!I am trying to make this a joint effort as just by myself this project would never be able to happen.However there are several poeple interested in this project and many of them are from StraightLineModeler, wich as you should be able to guess, a drag racing site. Some poeple may be used to dong market research. I may be rednecked by thinking that this really only pertains to larger corperations and not us small guys just trying to have some fun and create something. Heck we do not even have a marketing team.LOL. If we were that big like AMT or Revell ect. then this would be a entire different beast.Then again they never did well on boats so it would not happen again!! I do appreciate everyones idea opinions and interests. Also as a side note. I do apalogise for any mispelling however I am only a 12 grade gradute from a country school.I prefer not to download anything therefore the spell check here does not work.Also goes for my poor redneck grammar.Just be thankfull I am not a city hoodlum otherwise you would get some reall killer grammer lessions yerself!

[CAL]

Here are some helpful hints.

Beware. Smokey Mountain Miniatures is someone else’s name. They do model trains.

So you probably need to look for a different name.

You might look at an Amiti Sub for a better way.

You also don't need to cross section at 1/4 intervals.

Vacuuming your RTV is more important that pressure casting your resin.

Urethane is better than RTV.

And your other parts may be better build with an armature, epoxy putty covered with milliputt vs. bondo.

And machine what you can from styrene for your plugs.

And you probably need to add a zero or two to your injection molding figures.

If you did build airplanes and were to embark on this project you'd clearly see the connection.

Know what you are talking about before saying it.

I am not familar with your fiberglass techniques. It is usually done in a mold, not as you discribe.

Male and female buck?

And you might want to have someone proof your business copy, especially before asking for help of this nature. You might actually get somewhere.

You also need to be able to listen, clearly not a gift, for some people they have to learn it... some people never do.

Figure it out, focus on one thing, and do it very well vs. a dozen halfassed.

HTH

Edited November 19, 2007 by CAL

[Smart-Resins]

Well again thank you for the input. However for starter, I have been trying to find out how many poeple are interested in this project.You clearly are just waisting space on here as you obviously are not interested.Second, I feel as though you fail to see things in simple manners. I think if you spoke to half a dozen resin casters you will find much different opinions then you stated about how they cast.You would be surprised at some of the very crude setups that some of the more renouned casters use in this hobby! As for my figure, that was for a mass prototyping set up. Not for a injection set up. I also see that you try to read way too much into things.You also are un-educated to making bucks in multi-part mold making.I guess you think male buck and female buck means Bambi and his girlfriend as you obviously must be a city slicker who more then likely make at least three times more a year then I do.As for a company name, I never plan on being big, therefore I do not need a name that is unspoken for like Hardees did. Also your opinion is that I do not need to cross section at 1/4 inch intervals.Perhaps I do not as there is not as much detail on this as there is say on a king cobra. However if that is what I choose to best ensure a proper contour, then that is my feeling just like many of the caster use the RTV and several from alumilite just as I do. Few use urathane as it has side effects that are not always gentle. As for my fiberglassing techniques, how are the molds made?? I have both watched a body mold be made for a go-cart as well as worked in Penn Yan Marine where they made entire boat molds. In order to make the mold, they have to have a buck made.They generally made these in simular fashion as my technique.Likewise you state concentirate on one thing. Is drag racing not one thing? Last I knew drag racing was not horse back riding! Everyone has opinions and you have shared yous and I have listened.Agreeing with them is a entire differnt beast and I have formed a opinion of you during this.Thank you. That is also a pleasure of small business. We do not always have to bow to everyone.

[Frank Steffens]

If you have CAD drawings, you should look into 3D printing for the prototyping. Check out dimensionprinting.com as a start. In a recent issue of FSM, they did an article on it. You'd be surpised how much quicker you can get sponsors or generate interest when you have a prototype. I'm not an expert on the process, but I believe the most time consuming part of it is drawing the CAD. You said you already had a CAD file for your subject, so you may be ahead of the game. If you aren't the author of the CAD drawings, or don't have a license from the author, the 3d printing service may not touch the project. I would suggest consulting with a lawyer before trying to reproduce and sell a product that may be based on someone else's work (whether that work is the CAD, or the designer of the original boat itself).

As far as the product, I think you can see by the reaction to this post that you may not have a really good market for this model. As others have stated, 1/16th scale may not be best scale to produce this in. Many, if not most, car modelers build exclusively in 1/24 1/25 (some will not even mix 1/24 with 1/25!). You're cutting yourself off from the largest cross section of this hobby's market just by not building in this scale. You may like 1/16th scale, but take a look around just on this site, or on the website's of the biggest hobby sellers: there really just isn't that much 1/16th scale stuff out there. If its you who really wants a model of this drag boat, then you can still take the 3d drawings to the 3d printing service, have them run off a one of a kind prototype, detail it to your liking, and display it proudly.

Good luck with whatever you decide!

[Harry P.]

This is just about the most bizarre thread I've ever seen

First, this is a site about model CARS, not boats...you're not going to get much interest regarding a new model BOAT here!

Second, besides telling this story in the wrong place, you're asking for contributions? From a site where most people have no interest whatsoever in model boats???? How do you figure that's going to work?

Third, your writing style is weird enough that I have to question whether this is all some sort of scam or joke. If you're really serious about this, you need to re-think it, get someone who knows how to write tell the story...and go to a site where this would make sense to appear on. It sure doesn't belong here...

[CAL]

don't make me use the "M" word.

[Smart-Resins]

Thank you for your input Frank Steffens. The 3d printer idea would be nice to do if this group of builders had the funding. Again I can not sress how few we will be doing and that we want to keep them below $100, actually as low as possible. The 3d printing service would run hundres of dollars just to make something to mold from. wheres as the cross sections printed out and transferred to wood may take literally weeks longer, the largest cost in that will be the bondo, so maybe $15. Much cheaper method, and the same style of method that even a boat company in Florida uses.Actually they do the boat hull in two halves, then does the top as a seperate piece itself as well. As for the drawings they are completly usable after you purchase the download providing you have the program to run it.Please check out Turbosquid. In all honesty the project we will be doing, why we call it the Hemi Hydro is because it is extremely familuar with Revells smaller version. Please view the two programs we will be getting on the same boat.

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/373696

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/163106

Again we do not have much funding nor do we want to spend a bundle therefore we chose to do this route as it is about the cheapest yet proven method. Perhaps it is not the method some would use.However we are only interested in selling a few to a select group both large scale modelers and drag racing modelers.We would be fighting for copy right infringments if we tried to copy Revell in the same scale. As a large scale modeler, I do find often that we get ridiculed by the small scale fellas. The problem is that myself as a person feels as though the small scales are for the guys we want to go with the easiest thing to find and most of those guys that I know that build small scale stuff builds them in a week or two. I prefer to take my time and add all kinds of scratch built parts and add real bolts.Whatever the scale, not everyone will be interested, only the poeple who build in that scale.There are several poeple I know who build soley in 1/8 scale and have voiced that they wish I would build it in that scale, however there are far fewer builders in that scale then 1/16.For these reasons, I not only build in 1/16 but also replicate for aftermarket in this scale.As for finding any interest on a model car forum, I thought it to be a decent idea as I stated earlier it was just a very short time ago that Model Car Magazine did a article on boats plus they also show pics of them when they are in shows.Since it is a car magazine one might think that is crazy, but they do.Now why do they do that, it is because these boats use automotive power trains. However I have for a while been debating giving up this site as many poeple seem to be stuck within the box and the confinements of small scale and many are quite honestly very snobish indeed!! As for the poeple who are interested again either they are large scale modelers or they like to think out side of the box at least occasionly. Believe it or not but I have almost two dozen kits already promised to interested parties. At $75 each, that should be almost enough to help cover the original costs plus the costs to produce them. The others that we make either we will find poeple on these forums, on Ebay or at local modeling shows.We are not concerned of that, only of doing something fun, out of the box and hope to at least cover our costs. Thus also the reason why we did not go to a marketing and research firm to spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars.That is for poeple with more resources, the best equipment and who sit on a little taller soap box. If anything, I have learned that this is not the place for such a build and perhaps not quite the place for me.Maybe that is why I stay happy with StraightLineModeler and LargeScaleModeler.Thank you.

[Harry P.]

The biggest problem with what you're doing here isn't the inappropriate-to-the-site subject matter...it's the fact that you're coming here and asking people to give you money to finance a personal project of yours!

This isn't a charitable contribution site...it's about building model cars. It's pretty inappropriate of you to post up here and ask us to send you money. We ALL have projects or ideas that could use some money to make them a reality, but notice how nobody else asks fellow forum mambers to send them the money to help make their own project happen!!! This is not the place to be asking for personal project funding.

[jamie]

Thank you for your input Frank Steffens. The 3d printer idea would be nice to do if this group of builders had the funding. Again I can not sress how few we will be doing and that we want to keep them below $100, actually as low as possible. The 3d printing service would run hundres of dollars just to make something to mold from. wheres as the cross sections printed out and transferred to wood may take literally weeks longer, the largest cost in that will be the bondo, so maybe $15. Much cheaper method, and the same style of method that even a boat company in Florida uses.Actually they do the boat hull in two halves, then does the top as a seperate piece itself as well. As for the drawings they are completly usable after you purchase the download providing you have the program to run it.Please check out Turbosquid. In all honesty the project we will be doing, why we call it the Hemi Hydro is because it is extremely familuar with Revells smaller version. Please view the two programs we will be getting on the same boat.

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/373696

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/163106

Again we do not have much funding nor do we want to spend a bundle therefore we chose to do this route as it is about the cheapest yet proven method. Perhaps it is not the method some would use.However we are only interested in selling a few to a select group both large scale modelers and drag racing modelers.We would be fighting for copy right infringments if we tried to copy Revell in the same scale. As a large scale modeler, I do find often that we get ridiculed by the small scale fellas. The problem is that myself as a person feels as though the small scales are for the guys we want to go with the easiest thing to find and most of those guys that I know that build small scale stuff builds them in a week or two. I prefer to take my time and add all kinds of scratch built parts and add real bolts.Whatever the scale, not everyone will be interested, only the poeple who build in that scale.There are several poeple I know who build soley in 1/8 scale and have voiced that they wish I would build it in that scale, however there are far fewer builders in that scale then 1/16.For these reasons, I not only build in 1/16 but also replicate for aftermarket in this scale.As for finding any interest on a model car forum, I thought it to be a decent idea as I stated earlier it was just a very short time ago that Model Car Magazine did a article on boats plus they also show pics of them when they are in shows.Since it is a car magazine one might think that is crazy, but they do.Now why do they do that, it is because these boats use automotive power trains. However I have for a while been debating giving up this site as many poeple seem to be stuck within the box and the confinements of small scale and many are quite honestly very snobish indeed!! As for the poeple who are interested again either they are large scale modelers or they like to think out side of the box at least occasionly. Believe it or not but I have almost two dozen kits already promised to interested parties. At $75 each, that should be almost enough to help cover the original costs plus the costs to produce them. The others that we make either we will find poeple on these forums, on Ebay or at local modeling shows.We are not concerned of that, only of doing something fun, out of the box and hope to at least cover our costs. Thus also the reason why we did not go to a marketing and research firm to spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars.That is for poeple with more resources, the best equipment and who sit on a little taller soap box. If anything, I have learned that this is not the place for such a build and perhaps not quite the place for me.Maybe that is why I stay happy with StraightLineModeler and LargeScaleModeler.Thank you.

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[CAL]

Thank you for your input Frank Steffens. The 3d printer idea would be nice to do if this group of builders had the funding. Again I can not sress how few we will be doing and that we want to keep them below $100, actually as low as possible. The 3d printing service would run hundres of dollars just to make something to mold from. wheres as the cross sections printed out and transferred to wood may take literally weeks longer, the largest cost in that will be the bondo, so maybe $15. Much cheaper method, and the same style of method that even a boat company in Florida uses.Actually they do the boat hull in two halves, then does the top as a seperate piece itself as well. As for the drawings they are completly usable after you purchase the download providing you have the program to run it.Please check out Turbosquid. In all honesty the project we will be doing, why we call it the Hemi Hydro is because it is extremely familuar with Revells smaller version. Please view the two programs we will be getting on the same boat.

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/373696

http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/163106

Again we do not have much funding nor do we want to spend a bundle therefore we chose to do this route as it is about the cheapest yet proven method. Perhaps it is not the method some would use.However we are only interested in selling a few to a select group both large scale modelers and drag racing modelers.We would be fighting for copy right infringments if we tried to copy Revell in the same scale. As a large scale modeler, I do find often that we get ridiculed by the small scale fellas. The problem is that myself as a person feels as though the small scales are for the guys we want to go with the easiest thing to find and most of those guys that I know that build small scale stuff builds them in a week or two. I prefer to take my time and add all kinds of scratch built parts and add real bolts.Whatever the scale, not everyone will be interested, only the poeple who build in that scale.There are several poeple I know who build soley in 1/8 scale and have voiced that they wish I would build it in that scale, however there are far fewer builders in that scale then 1/16.For these reasons, I not only build in 1/16 but also replicate for aftermarket in this scale.As for finding any interest on a model car forum, I thought it to be a decent idea as I stated earlier it was just a very short time ago that Model Car Magazine did a article on boats plus they also show pics of them when they are in shows.Since it is a car magazine one might think that is crazy, but they do.Now why do they do that, it is because these boats use automotive power trains. However I have for a while been debating giving up this site as many poeple seem to be stuck within the box and the confinements of small scale and many are quite honestly very snobish indeed!! As for the poeple who are interested again either they are large scale modelers or they like to think out side of the box at least occasionly. Believe it or not but I have almost two dozen kits already promised to interested parties. At $75 each, that should be almost enough to help cover the original costs plus the costs to produce them. The others that we make either we will find poeple on these forums, on Ebay or at local modeling shows.We are not concerned of that, only of doing something fun, out of the box and hope to at least cover our costs. Thus also the reason why we did not go to a marketing and research firm to spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars.That is for poeple with more resources, the best equipment and who sit on a little taller soap box. If anything, I have learned that this is not the place for such a build and perhaps not quite the place for me.Maybe that is why I stay happy with StraightLineModeler and LargeScaleModeler.Thank you.

Maybe so...

however, from what I read at Large Scale and Scale Auto you are not getting to much of a different response there either. It's probably telling you sumin. eh?

BTW ya maroon those are not programs. They are actual 3ds models. There is a big difference.

Edited November 20, 2007 by CAL

[Smart-Resins]

LOL. Some of you guys are a real barrel of laughs. Going around and name calling and trying to step in and take over with your own ideas and belittle other fellow members. That 3D model as I called it in the original posting downloads as a file.Some say program.If it was still DOS, then it would be a program still! I say straight blade you say regular screw driver and they say flat head. Big Whoop! The maroon here is the name calling with his big fancy pants on up high on his soap box.Wait till he falls off!! The engineer who will be reworking this "file" has the 3D program. I am not that nieve fellas.By the way I was not merely coming here to ask for cash. I was hoping to find poeple interested in one and also looking for poeple who might want to join in the project and maybe scratch build something like a lever or a tie down or what ever.Also after several posts no one can still catch onto the fact that I have several poeple who have stepped forward and want to buy one. It is not just a project for me. Someone coming on here and asking for someone to give them money to build thier own car would be well rather menatlly challenged.I will not say the "R" word even though it most certainly would cover a few here including a "MM". Actually I have had people email me and PM me off this board as they think very little of some of you and are interested in the project or willing to offer tips ect. I actually beliee that a few of ya are boarders and thats all you like to do is to bitch and complain about things and make yourselves feel better at the cost of others, but some of you I have not seen much if anything in the line of real models being posted.So are you a modeler or not? Come on, why dont some of you get real!! As for the others that actually had something inteligent or nice to say.Thank you for your interest. However I will keep my things to SLM. Also as stated prior, I admitted the other car sites did not do so well, so thank you for falling dumb and figuring out what I said.For that you get the blue booby award!! Now I will dis-regard any further postings to this.If anyone truly is interested then you can PM me like some of the others.Thanks.

[dub]

Man this thread is like a train wreck... I shouldn't look at it but I can't help it........

[CAL]

Man this thread is like a train wreck... I shouldn't look at it but I can't help it........

I hear ya brother. I am sorry I even got involved. So much for trying to help a guy out.

Edited November 20, 2007 by CAL

[Darin Bastedo]

So lemme get this straight...You are asking for donations. not investment, not pre-orders. hate to tell you this is not how it's done. If a business venture is worth doing it's worth funding yourself. I wouldn't imagine there are many of us willing to give you hard earned money when there is nothing offered in return.

[Jantrix]

I'd be interested in buying one in 1:25 scale. No comment on the debacle going on here.

[CAL]

I'd be interested in buying one in 1:25 scale. No comment on the debacle going on here.

I am sure lots of people would be interested. I was interested. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted anything to this tread.

It's the presentation that is lacking. Nobody in their right mind would give this guy a nickel.

Obviously, he is the uninterested party. He is not interested in 1:25 scale, not interested in listening, listening to what people are interested in, not interested in genune help, not interested it suggestions, not that intersted boats from what I can tell: seems to be more interested in 1/16 dragsters, motorcycles, your money, getting covered in a magazine, and being able to say it's the only one in the world.

Which there isn't anything wrong with that, except the asking for help and money part. Just do it, build your boat, but don't come around asking for help and money if you don't have anything to back it up with. Darin is right, "It doesn't work that way."

I run into the same thing with newbie screenwriters all the time.

They want to write for themselves, not the audience they should be writing to, and they do it with total disregard for good visual storytelling, story mechanics for FILM, and in a standard scriptwriting format. Then they are pissed off at you because you told them their script sucks because that's the only thing they ever hear and then wonders why nobody will pick up their script.

Edited November 20, 2007 by CAL

[Reliable Resin]

FYI ........................ GMP already offers 1/18th scale Drag Boats , at a very Cost Effective price

( to collectors )

&

Did I read this correctly 1,000 units @ $100 ................ hummmmmmmmm that's a lot of boats

Good Luck w/ that .....................

I'm really finding it hard to Bite My Tounge on this one

However it's been entertaining ............ reading

I'm getting back to the Shop , Pouring Resin & making fresh molds

If anyone would like to Donate $'s ............... my Pay Pal acct. is ReliableResin@aol.com

I want a New Z06 Vette ,,,,,,, maybe Stana Claus will bring me one