'70 Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda Reference Pics & Info

[gtx6970]

Not to muddy the waters, but I know a guy with a Black `70 440 Barracuda and a red hockey stick. Not sure if it's 100% legit to the fender tag though....

If this happens to be the car that sold out of the eastern seaboard states about 12-15 years ago,

The red stripe was added and is NOT factory ( buddy of mine looked at the car for purchase )

[scale trucker]

there is a guy near here that has a # matching hemi cuda black red hockey stripe un restored with 20k miles that has been wreckecd since 1970 sits in a garage coverd in dust.

[tim boyd]

Not to rail road this thread ; here's a link to the ill-fated Burgundy Top of the 1971 Imperial :

http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1971/Paisley/

Fantastic -- love these types of stories! Thanks...TIM

[JS23U]

The green strobe stripe should be V4J, shouldn't it? Like in FJ5 or FJ6 for Limelight or Sassy Grass Green, respectively.

I doubt the accuracy of Peter Sessler's books. They are quite old and at least when I looked at them had a lot of errors.

The Dana 60 axle was used on all RB-engined (440, 440-6, Hemi) cars with four speed transmission plus the same engines when they got the 4.10-axle ratio on automatic cars.

[tim boyd]

The green strobe stripe should be V4J, shouldn't it? Like in FJ5 or FJ6 for Limelight or Sassy Grass Green, respectively.

I doubt the accuracy of Peter Sessler's books. They are quite old and at least when I looked at them had a lot of errors.

The Dana 60 axle was used on all RB-engined (440, 440-6, Hemi) cars with four speed transmission plus the same engines when they got the 4.10-axle ratio on automatic cars.

Jens...according to the Govier code books, you are correct, the "Lime" stripe (nomenclature used in this source) is V4J, not V4G as in the post above.

Regarding Sessler as an author, I have his books on Paint Codes, V8 Engine History, Mopars and other topics. As a generalization, I have found his accuracy to be substantially better than the normal standard for such books. Is he 100% correct? Very unlikely, no author is 100% correct.

As far as his statement about B5 Air Grabbers, I've been around long enough to see time and time again where "I never saw that" finally ended up to be proven wrong when it comes to Mopars from the 1960's and early 1970's. Even a few times involving the most respected experts in this field. You are certainly justified in your view of this subject, but so am I. Maybe we agree to disagree this time?

Cheers...TIM

[drodg]

I believe the strope stripe in green is V4J. I think Peter Sessler's Red Book on Mopar Muscle cars is pretty accurate. I am Chrysler Dodge Jeep dealer and I wonder what it would be like to try to release a spec book in say 10 years with all of the changes that Chrysler makes on a regular basis today esp Challengers. Though I think it would be easier today with the internet and the wealth of information out there. I have to say I have learned quite a bit about Cuda's in the past week! From what all of you have shared and doing digging on my own on the internet. Thanks everyone.

[ChrisPflug]

Trim code for green trim/stripes/vinyl tops usually would be "F" (like FF4, EF8 exterior paint codes)

[FASTBACK340]

If this happens to be the car that sold out of the eastern seaboard states about 12-15 years ago,

The red stripe was added and is NOT factory ( buddy of mine looked at the car for purchase )

This is indeed an East Coast car (Long Island to be exact) and I'll probably see it Sunday at the Long Island Mopars final get-together of the season. All you local guys, Hooters on Rt: 110 in Farmingdale 11-3. Plenty of E-Body reference will be there, hopefully including this `Cuda. I'll see if it is a factory coded red stripe or not......

Same goes for any other color combo I spot. I'll try and get some info.....

[JS23U]

Tim, I don't say that there never was a blue shaker car. Chrysler surprises people every now and then. Just think of Hemi four doors or 72 Six Pack cars.

Chris: You are right on vinyl tops and interiors. But for stripes there were both possibilities. On a 70 Challenger the longitudinal stripe was available in light (pale) green, this was V6F. On the other hand the strobe stripe on the 'Cuda was a high impact colored stripe, hence the J in the code, not F.

John: If you see this red striped 'Cuda please try to make a picture of the fender tag (under the hood on the left inner fender). There should be a code like V6E (or maybe V6R) for a red stripe. But you probably know that...

[Guest]

What online sources have this kit in stock?

[o-man]

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCWFE&P=W

http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/rmx/rmx854268.htm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Revell-1-25-70-PLYMOUTH-HEMI-CUDA-2n-RMX4268-/400616462131?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item5d469a1733

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Revell-1970-PLYMOUTH-HEMI-CUDA-4268-2N1-SPECIAL-EDITION-1-25-FS-IN-STOCK-NOW-/370951244774?pt=Model_Kit_US&hash=item565e6acbe6

[tim boyd]

Tim, I don't say that there never was a blue shaker car. Chrysler surprises people every now and then. Just think of Hemi four doors or 72 Six Pack cars.

Thanks Jens.

Funny thing, I was thinking of those '72 Six Pack cars as I was going through my old issues of Mopar Muscle, Mopar Collectors Guide, Mopar Action, Mopar Enthusiast, MoPower, et al, looking for any Red Sport Tape Stripe '70 'cudas survivors or restorations by noted experts. I am not an expert on '72 Six Packs, but IIRC there have been just three documented factory builds; dodo you know offhand whether that is correct? And if so, were they all "GTX-badged" Road Runners, or was one a Rallye Charger?

Thanks...TIM ,

Edited November 30, 2013 by tim boyd

[brodie_83]

Dangit...I wish Hobby Lobby would get these in! It's killing me that it's taking so long for all the model-carrying stores in Duluth don't have them stocked yet!

[Guest]

No better luck in the Twin Cities Brodie.

[2000-cvpi]

Dangit...I wish Hobby Lobby would get these in! It's killing me that it's taking so long for all the model-carrying stores in Duluth don't have them stocked yet!

It's Hobby Lobby going to carry this kit?

[1972coronet]

I was thinking of those '72 Six Pack cars as I was going through [various MoPar magazines] . I am not an expert on '72 Six Packs, but IIRC there have been just three documented factory builds; dodo you know offhand whether that is correct? And if so, were they all "GTX-badged" Road Runners, or was one a Rallye Charger?

Thanks...TIM ,

From my recollection , there were four built , and perhaps 2-3 which are documented . Last I'd checked , an FE5 Rallye Charger 440 Six Pack (WH23V2) was undergoing a solid resto .

Edit : Link to photos of said Charger ; I can't claim credit for these photos . : https://www.facebook.com/john.shoe1/media_set?set=a.1973589380057.112949.1252715267&type=3

Edited December 1, 2013 by 1972coronet

[ChrisPflug]

Saw the red '72 Six Pack Charger "in person" years ago in a big pole barn when it belonged to Ron Slobe of R&R in Missouri

The other two currently surviving '72 440-6's are a red Road Runner and a Yellow Charger that I believe was featured in Mopar Collectors Guide

All were early builds, Chargers likely pilot cars, RR a bit later- VINs WH23V2G100006, WH23V2G100075, and RM23V2G105344

Edited December 1, 2013 by ChrisPflug

[1972coronet]

Saw the red '72 Six Pack Charger "in person" years ago in a big pole barn when it belonged to Ron Slobe of R&R in Missouri

The other two currently surviving '72 440-6's are a red Road Runner and a Yellow Charger that I believe was featured in Mopar Collectors Guide

All were early builds, Chargers likely pilot cars, RR a bit later- VINs WH23V2G100006, WH23V2G100075, and RM23V2G105344

That R.R. / GTX's high sequence number (105344) is a bit of a surprise , as 5,000+ cars later is definitely out of the Pilot Build period . I wonder what its scheduelled build date is , and if it jibes with the build sheet(s) ; even better would be an original window sticker (the repros don't list the car's *actual* build date) !

I'm sure that this goes without saying ; how many Six Pack / 6 Bbl 1972 R.R.'s / Rallye Chargers have you replicated , using the MPC annuals as the basis ?

[ChrisPflug]

Looks like the Road Runner had a scheduled date of 8/7, the red Charger 8/1- looks like a regular production tag for the Runner and a pilot tag for the Charger. Also some paperwork from the yellow Charger....

If I ever seemed to finish my projects I'd have built all three of these cars- always seem to get hung up on details

[brodie_83]

It's Hobby Lobby going to carry this kit?

I don't know why they wouldn't...they have all of the other new release kits that come out. I hope they do. It would be nice to pay $16 per kit instead of $25, but I'll pay the more expensive price if I have to.

I cant believe there are none of these kits being built in the "on the workbench" section...

[tim boyd]

_{Chris and John - thanks for the info on those '72 440 6 barrels....just way cool! TIM}

[johnbuzzed]

Thirty-seven pages of posts and lots of detailed information here. I've said this before and I'll say it again: There should be a WHOLE LOTTA these on the contest tables, in the magazines and in the Forum in the year to come.

[JS23U]

Were getting a bit off topic here with the 72 440-6 cars... but I love this kind of talk

I can't add much to what Chris said. I have read of some more cars none of which seems to be proven. And I don't have any VINs of these. I heard 4 Chargers and 2 RRs had been built, including the three that were mentioned above. All of the cars are told to be automatics. One RR is said to be blue, but which blue is up to your guess.

BTW the pic of the red Charger's fender tag is probably mine. John, an ex employee at Ron Slobe's R&R salvage in Missouri gave the original photos of that specific Charger to me when we visited the yard in 1999. The Charger was already sold, so I never saw it in person. Slobe had owned some buildings full of rare Mopars, of which we only saw the remains, because he unfortunately died in 1993 (?). To come back to the topic he also had a white 70 Cuda convertible 440-6 pilot car. IIRC the VIN ended 0B100006. But again, I didn't see that car either...

[tim boyd]

Were getting a bit off topic here with the 72 440-6 cars... but I love this kind of talk

I can't add much to what Chris said. I have read of some more cars none of which seems to be proven. And I don't have any VINs of these. I heard 4 Chargers and 2 RRs had been built, including the three that were mentioned above. All of the cars are told to be automatics. One RR is said to be blue, but which blue is up to your guess.

Jens and John....yes we are getting slightly off topic here and it's my fault, but I think it demonstrates the level of accuracy we are striving to achieve with our Mopar models, be they the new Revell 'cuda kit or something else.

That TBD Blue '72 Road Runner 440-6 sounds like a great model project. I'd hazard a guess it would have been either B3 Basin Street (Petty/Corporation) Blue for B5 True Blue Metallic. I'd do mine with B3!

TIM

[ChrisPflug]

I visited R&R in I believe 1990, and got a tour from Ron- he had built his house in the yard and had a drive-out finished basement- I remember the white 'cuda convertible being parked in the basement next to a stack of shaker bubbles and six barrel intakes. We went upstairs through the house to the attached garage where he laughingly apologized for having a late model Corvette parked and showed us his Sox and Martin '70 'cuda

The collection in the barns was amazing- at the time he said he was missing three cars to have an example of every factory Hemi and Six Pack model in every body style (although some were duplicates like an "extra" Challenger T/A because it was a Panther Pink car)

Definitely unforgettable to a young Mopar enthusiast