Helix Posted April 6, 2014 Author Posted April 6, 2014 Nice job Ray. I love those big late 60's - early 70's personal luxury cars. Riviera, Thunderbird, Toronado, etc. Glad you got hands on your first JoHan kit. I miss those old JoHan models. Most were much simpler in the details than the Toronado. But, they all looked pretty good when they're done. The only problem I've ever had building their Toronado is with front end. Things like the steering knuckles and axle shafts I found them a little tricky and fragile. How about you Ray? Have any problems in this area? By the way, laying in my collection is an origin JoHan '72 Toronado I need to build some day. Chrome was shot, but it's complete. Despite the fact that the real Toronados switch to coil springs with their redesign in 1971, the model kit comes with the very same chassis as the 1970 and prior Toronado kits had. With the leaf springs in the rear. This is OK with me. I understand why they did it. Saves a little money tooling up the new kit. And most model builders at the time would not know the difference. In general, the car looks right, other than the leaf springs and the older style, but also inaccurate air cleaner. Today, modelers would flip out, and complain to no end about things like that on blogs like this. By the way, if you did used the air cleaner included in the kit, like I did, and will on my '72. It's not correct. That air cleaner was only used on the '66 Toronados. But, it sure looks cool! Scott Aho Thanks for the 'heads up' Robert, yes the front end was a pain in the backside mate and to get that stance right I simply 'flipped' the spindles over Yeah I noticed that with the air cleaner when I was looking at the reference pics I downloaded, I do have a correct one but forgot to put it on !
Helix Posted April 6, 2014 Author Posted April 6, 2014 Hey guys, thank you all so much for the comments, really appreciated ! It's not 100%, but I just love the style of this car Got the JoHan bug now
1972coronet Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 That's a super nice Toro , Ray ! I must inquire , however , about its Cadillac powerplant . I'm not suggesting that yoiu added a Cad engine ; I'm just wondering why Jo-Han decided to use a Cad 'plant versus the correct Olds 455 / Ne'er-the-less , that's not a detraction from your splendid workmanship .
Helix Posted April 6, 2014 Author Posted April 6, 2014 That's a super nice Toro , Ray ! I must inquire , however , about its Cadillac powerplant . I'm not suggesting that yoiu added a Cad engine ; I'm just wondering why Jo-Han decided to use a Cad 'plant versus the correct Olds 455 / Ne'er-the-less , that's not a detraction from your splendid workmanship . Good question John! I have no idea, thought it was a bit odd myself and looking at the reference pics, so I should have sanded them off Thanks mate.
1972coronet Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 Good question John! I have no idea, thought it was a bit odd myself and looking at the reference pics, so I should have sanded them off Thanks mate. Y'know , perhaps the presence of that Cad engine is due to Jo-Han "recycling" of its Eldorado parts ; they shared the same platform . A simiar instance ; Jo-Han also "recycled" the old Nash 287 / 327 engine in their '66 & later AMC kits ! By 1966 or 1967 , AMC had replaced the then-outdated Nash V8's with their own 290 / 343 / 390 (and subsequent 304 / 360 / 401) V8's. Now , it's time for me to apologise for rail roading your thread ( ) . Keep up with the great work , Ray !
Helix Posted April 6, 2014 Author Posted April 6, 2014 Y'know , perhaps the presence of that Cad engine is due to Jo-Han "recycling" of its Eldorado parts ; they shared the same platform . A simiar instance ; Jo-Han also "recycled" the old Nash 287 / 327 engine in their '66 & later AMC kits ! By 1966 or 1967 , AMC had replaced the then-outdated Nash V8's with their own 290 / 343 / 390 (and subsequent 304 / 360 / 401) V8's. Now , it's time for me to apologise for rail roading your thread ( ) . Keep up with the great work , Ray ! No need to apologise John, appreciate the feedback mate That's thing I like about this hobby, we all learn from each other!
charlie8575 Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 Very nice work on that. Great colors and photography. Charlie Larkin
unclescott58 Posted April 6, 2014 Posted April 6, 2014 I need to correct one thing wrong I said in my last post here, on this subject. Not a big deal. But, I was wrong none the less. I stated that the air cleaner in JoHan's Toronado kits was only correct for the '66 Toronados. It was also correct for the '67 Toronados equipped without the optional Climate Combustion Control air cleaner. Still that dual snorkel air cleaner in all of the JoHan Toronado kits looks better than any air cleaner used on the real Toronados after 1967. I like it. I'm also sure John Shoe is right about your valve covers. I didn't notice that at first. Scott Aho
Helix Posted April 7, 2014 Author Posted April 7, 2014 I need to correct one thing wrong I said in my last post here, on this subject. Not a big deal. But, I was wrong none the less. I stated that the air cleaner in JoHan's Toronado kits was only correct for the '66 Toronados. It was also correct for the '67 Toronados equipped without the optional Climate Combustion Control air cleaner. Still that dual snorkel air cleaner in all of the JoHan Toronado kits looks better than any air cleaner used on the real Toronados after 1967. I like it. I'm also sure John Shoe is right about your valve covers. I didn't notice that at first. Scott Aho No problem Scott cheers Thanks for the further comments guys, much appreciated
MsDano85gt Posted April 9, 2014 Posted April 9, 2014 i was going to ask does the model kit depict the front wheel drive? a friend of mine nearly bought a olds toronado with the big 455 V8 the half shafts on that car were HUGE!! didn't a couple cadillacs back in the day go front drive?
Helix Posted April 9, 2014 Author Posted April 9, 2014 i was going to ask does the model kit depict the front wheel drive? a friend of mine nearly bought a olds toronado with the big 455 V8 the half shafts on that car were HUGE!! didn't a couple cadillacs back in the day go front drive? That's right Daniel, John Shoe (1972Coronet) pointed out the Toronado and Cadillac Eldorado share the same platform.
fitforbattle Posted April 9, 2014 Posted April 9, 2014 Is that really just Tamiya rubbing compound straight on the paint? No clear whatsoever? Amazing finish!
Helix Posted April 9, 2014 Author Posted April 9, 2014 Is that really just Tamiya rubbing compound straight on the paint? No clear whatsoever? Amazing finish! I applied about 4 coats of paint, then started with the Tamiya coarse polish then the finish polish, trial and error in the end and no clear coat used! Thanks Robin
Helix Posted April 9, 2014 Author Posted April 9, 2014 This is very nice and a rare subject at that. Thanks Jay, I have a few old kits that I would like to build this year.
Dave42 Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 (edited) Beautiful work on a unique subject and the paint looks like it's still wet! Edited April 12, 2014 by Dave42
azers Posted April 13, 2014 Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) Something I did on my 67 toronado motor was use the valve covers off a junk amt olds motor reshaping the heads slightly and used the oil filler tube. After painting and minor detailing it looks like a olds v-8. Of course you could steal the motor from the revell or amt olds cutlass kits. Edited April 13, 2014 by azers
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