DonW Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 What's not to like? http://www.landspeed.com/
Ace-Garageguy Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 Even WITH wings, there wasn't much of 'em on an F-104...
Harry P. Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 A plane without wings would be a rocket.
DonW Posted September 17, 2014 Author Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) On 9/17/2014 at 4:28 PM, Harry P. said: A plane without wings would be a rocket. Nope, a rocket by definition has a rocket engine - this has jet engines and Wheels! 'A rocket engine, or simply "rocket", is a jet engine[1] that uses only stored propellant mass for forming its high speed propulsive jet. Rocket engines are reaction engines and obtain thrust in accordance with Newton's third law.' Edited September 17, 2014 by DonW
DonW Posted September 17, 2014 Author Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) On 9/17/2014 at 4:28 PM, Ace-Garageguy said: Even WITH wings, there wasn't much of 'em on an F-104... As the Luftwaffe found to their cost! (German accent ) 'Does anyone want to buy a Starfighter? Then buy an acre of land and wait for a while...' Edited September 17, 2014 by DonW
Ace-Garageguy Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) Here's a bunch of BUFs getting de-winged... ...and a buncha Hueys and Cobras sans rotor-wings... A nice pair of A-26s... ...and a very sad DC-3... Edited September 17, 2014 by Ace-Garageguy
DonW Posted September 17, 2014 Author Posted September 17, 2014 The 'Flying Bedstead'. Apparently the test pilot used to say 'D-don't talk to me about that b-b-bl__dy thing!' It shook a lot!
DonW Posted September 17, 2014 Author Posted September 17, 2014 Bill, those planes make me sad. Once so proud. Especially those B-52s and that poor old Gooneybird....
Ace-Garageguy Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 Not a great sucess, but a real aircraft, that flew...
Ace-Garageguy Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) On 9/17/2014 at 4:55 PM, DonW said: Bill, those planes make me sad. Once so proud. Especially those B-52s and that poor old Gooneybird.... Yes, seeing the old airplanes cut up always makes me sad too. I worked at a small airport in Arizona for a while that had been a de-commissioning center for B-17s and B-24s after the war. This is what it looked like in 1946. Almost all of these aircraft were dismantled and melted down on-site for scrap, and in a few cases, were sold for the value of the fuel in the tanks. You can still walk the un-paved parts of the field and pick up parts of machine-gun ring-mounts, hydraulic fittings and even an occasional data plate. Ghosts everywhere. And at war's end, many of these airplanes were flown directly from the factories to the boneyard, still brand-new. Edited September 17, 2014 by Ace-Garageguy
Harry P. Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 On 9/17/2014 at 4:35 PM, DonW said: Nope, a rocket by definition has a rocket engine - this has jet engines and Wheels! 'A rocket engine, or simply "rocket", is a jet engine[1] that uses only stored propellant mass for forming its high speed propulsive jet. Rocket engines are reaction engines and obtain thrust in accordance with Newton's third law.' My point was that there's no such thing as a plane without wings, if by "plane" we're talking airplane... as in fixed-wing flying machine, as the "Planes without wings" topic title suggests... Of course there are other flying machines without wings, but they're not planes. And technically, a rocket doesn't really "fly" any more than a bullet "flies."
DonW Posted September 17, 2014 Author Posted September 17, 2014 It's ironic. How much is a flying B-17 worth now? But then I guess there are the running costs to consider!
DonW Posted September 17, 2014 Author Posted September 17, 2014 On 9/17/2014 at 6:02 PM, Harry P. said: My point was that there's no such thing as a plane without wings, if by "plane" we're talking airplane... as in fixed-wing flying machine, as the "Planes without wings" topic title suggests... Of course there are other flying machines without wings, but they're not planes. And technically, a rocket doesn't really "fly" any more than a bullet "flies." From one pedant to another - Well Said!
Ace-Garageguy Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 On 9/17/2014 at 6:09 PM, DonW said: From one pedant to another - Well Said! Love it.
Greg Myers Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 Wings , rockets and faster than a speeding bullet.
Ace-Garageguy Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 "Glamorous Glennis", the Bell X-1 Chuck Yeager broke the speed of sound "barrier" with in 1947. Named for his wife. Amazing how recently that was a huge deal.
Harry P. Posted September 17, 2014 Posted September 17, 2014 On 9/17/2014 at 6:09 PM, DonW said: From one pedant to another - Well Said! Hey, if I can't be pedantic, what fun is there?
DonW Posted September 18, 2014 Author Posted September 18, 2014 On 9/17/2014 at 11:19 PM, Harry P. said: Hey, if I can't be pedantic, what fun is there? Amen!
DonW Posted September 18, 2014 Author Posted September 18, 2014 On 9/17/2014 at 9:36 PM, Greg Myers said: Wings , rockets and faster than a speeding bullet. Buffeting, buffeting....! Where is she now? And these (lifting bodies - no wings!) :
Crazy Ed Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 I always liked the Vought V-173, aka the Flying Pancake. There was also the Lippisch Aerodyne that used a Ducted Fan body for it's lift.
blunc Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 The Stiletto may have had less wing than the Starfighter...
DonW Posted September 18, 2014 Author Posted September 18, 2014 On 9/18/2014 at 12:32 PM, blunc said: The Stiletto may have had less wing than the Starfighter... But nothing like as pretty (I mean evil)!
Greg Myers Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 On 9/18/2014 at 12:32 PM, blunc said: The Stiletto may have had less wing than the Starfighter... Same wing
Greg Myers Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 On 9/18/2014 at 12:43 PM, DonW said: But nothing like as pretty (I mean evil)!
Greg Myers Posted September 18, 2014 Posted September 18, 2014 Wings? We don' neeed no stinking wings.
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